EMEA system is weird

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Olofboost

https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCT/2022/EMEA/Stage_1/Challengers

There will be only 2 relegation spots between 1st Split and 2nd Split, which means that at least 10 teams in Premier League will remain in Premier League no matter how good/bad they will become

https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCT/2022/EMEA/Promotion_Tournament

And still, these 11th-12th teams which are going to relegation, will receive a huge advantage - they don't have to go through group stage, and they receive a bye win in playoffs

January 10-24 qualifiers is literally EVERYTHING, it selects 10 teams which we'll be watching for the rest of the season

IMO there should've been more relegation spots, at least 4 or better 5, because currently it's just so wrong, one qualifier session in a particular meta decides it all

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Thats how leagues work, you cant kick out half the league every split

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Olofboost

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They're not even kicking them out lol

They're sending them to Relegation phase, and with a massive advantage such as free ticket to playoffs 2nd round, when VRL teams will have to grind the fuck out of this circuit

That's dumb

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itzIgor

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I don't think Riot realizes how big the EMEA scene is. If you stand for European, Middle Eastern, and African regions, first that ME and Africa should have an open qualifier for themselves, even if only one spot for them, they still should have theirs, and secondly if you're gonna subcategorize the European scene between Europe, Turkey, and CIS (besides 4 invited teams) 12 teams are 100% not enough, and having anything above 75% guaranteed not facing relegation is pretty bad. 8 out of 12 teams remaining would be the sweet spot.

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12 teams is suitable for round robin, if there were say 16 teams, they would have to do Swiss - you don't play against everyone, you only play against 10/15 or 11/15 teams from the league, because 15 matches is too many

But I think bottom (12th) team must go to VRL without any second chance, while 9th-11th teams go to Relegation phase and fight there from group stage like everybody else, not from playoffs

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agreed, shouldve been top 8 stays in challengers and bottom 4 goes to relegation with the 8 VRL winners

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Olofboost

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Only 8 VRL winners? Isn't that too few?

I would take some runner-ups as well to make it 16 in total, like Spain, France, Nordics, Turkey runner-ups (strongest leagues IMO)

Look how many good teams there will be in Spain for example, and if G2 / Giants fail to make it soon, it will be even worse - sending only winners to Promotion is not good

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Add 4 open qualifiers instead then, would be better imo

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Olofboost

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LOL open qualifiers?

The whole point of VRLs is to fight the entire split for the spot or several spots in Promotion tournament

Not to save strats for open quals and then advance having done nothing in your own subregion

For example France, Poland, Spain, Germany have 3 spots each in LoL EU Masters, some regions have 2 spots, and that works perfectly

Nothing wrong with runner-ups or 3rd places advancing

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PrTsty

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True, overall the Idea of the system is very good but in reality its just shit

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Nabbed from R6 imo

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PrTsty

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Rwho???

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its a video game, valorant system is pretty much the same thing as the R6S format

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PrTsty

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I know but the VRL are more LoL inspired then R6

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SeaZ

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not really, r6 has them two. there are national leagues, UK: https://liquipedia.net/rainbowsix/UK_Ireland_Nationals/Season_1

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Rainbow 6 siege

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At least VALORANT relegation is 1 per stage not 1 per year for one spot)))))

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thanatos11

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It’s 1 guaranteed demotion + 1 EUL Teams go into Relegation Playoffs with 2 Challengers teams

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Meh, it's not perfect. but im not mad at it.

given how every region's format is kinda unique, year 2 of VCT is clearly them testing more things and seeing what works well.

No biggie.

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Does Fnatic really deserve that invited slot,and why doesn't MENA have a slot?

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Olofboost

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MENA can qualify through any region, be it EU, CIS or TR

But they will play in TR because Istanbul is closer to them than any other server + TR 2 spots is actually a great chance, all TR teams except Fire Flux are beatable right now

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Man said fireflux lmao. I'd expect more from Fut/OXG/BBL/SMB and even DA

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Olofboost

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Futbolist latest results are quite disappointing
Oxygen don't hold a TR team anymore
SMB dropped tier1 squad and picked up some leftovers
DA haven't played for 5 months

My Turkish favs to qualify to EMEA are Fire Flux and BBL
Believing in FF potential more because they've been longer together as a 5
They've also stomped most recent tournament if you check the results

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DELUSIONAL_RUSSZ_FAN

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Fut will get their shit together, about OXG i didn't know until you said lmao, why are all of em inactive idk. SMB still has brave and they got Xistou, they have a chance but they're not the beast they were. DA's still in Valorant, they need a 5th. TR league will be a mess in 2022 and I will say that there are no more favorites after challengers 3 Stage 2, shit was a big mess.

I know about Legacy and Last Call, still, tier 2 tourneys don't define anything. An example; TBG, they're excellent but they can't reach semis in officials anymore. there are many good teams and the matches will be close, rivalries will flourish and those will only benefit the scene.

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Flexa

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Kanka da diyip duruyorsun adamlar 2 kişi şu an da falan yok artık unut onu

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DELUSIONAL_RUSSZ_FAN

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Agab, neyse TBG ftw

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kocunar

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You're sleeping on futbolist and smb.
BBL should be the best turkish team.

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Gyro

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thts how it shld work u cant relegate half of teams every split.
epl has 20 teams and even they only relegate 3 teams.