Sentinels problems

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ItsMeDio

sen problems are not just zombs
tenz performance is quite bad in this champs

at sen vs liquid, tenz are bottomfragging at map breeze and split
at sen vs kru, for a jett player, his stats is really bad

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/353/valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-reykjavik
back then in master iceland
shahzam, sick, and dapr are pretty much deliver same performance like in champions berlin right now

but tenz is really underperforming in this champs, even if u compare to his berlin stats
Tenz ACS at Iceland: 289,4
Tenz ACS at Master Berlin: ACS 269,5
Tenz ACS at Champions: 225,2

meanwhile zombs ACS:
Iceland: 170,3
Master Berlin: 156,8
Champions Berlin: 154,7
(underperform, but not too bad)

i know stat doesn't mean everything
what do you think

edit: bold some words

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number_1_zombs_fan

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I think he needs to learn more agents

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Golem

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Zombs? Or tenz?

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number_1_zombs_fan

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tenz, he can literally play 2 agents at a consistently high level, I love the guy but he has to put in more work, but then again, maybe his team didn't ask him to learn these things and it's not his fault.

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last time he played raze on split and went on to get 8 kills ....many blamed shahz for not giving him the jett ..now he had only 1 agent to play ..while shahz sick and dapr switched agents every map ..u need that 1 player who can play raze with all that utility ..idk what happens next ..people suggesting to bring sinatraa back but who do u replace ?? surely not shahz or sick coz they hv been the most consistent players

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number_1_zombs_fan

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unless it's zombs I don't support any roster moves, this roster is stacked with talent that's not their problem, the point of blaming tenz for his raze gameplay is that he should prac it and get better on it but SEN tried to take the shortcut and put him on jett instead. I don't understand the "put shahz back on jett" narrative though since it was quite the common opinion he should give it up for tenz.

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DIAZ_lmfaado

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feels bad for shaz man, he used love playing jett but now switched to full time initiator

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Golem

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yeah, I could agree with that

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ItsMeDio

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yeah, he need to learn agent like raze, reyna, or even sage
u can't just be a one agent player

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number_1_zombs_fan

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he's an incredible reyna, top 3 in the world on her, but I agree on the learning raze, idk about sage though since they already have SicK who is arguably the best in the world on her.

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ItsMeDio

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they can copy other team strat, like cned on sage with op
i think it will be great

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they should have played split line line of liquid with tenz on reyna and sick on raze...And brain and coach with brain is required.

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Golem

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you're right, they just underperformed as a team and let dumb mistakes take control of them. I wonder what the solution could be...

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TenZ went 1-7 in fk-fd stat on Split. If anything, he singlehandedly lost the game for sen with his performance. I love to talk shit about dapr but man played his heart out, same goes for shaz, even zombs wasn't throwing as hard as usual, but when your jett is 9-20 with 1 fb in 24 rounds it's impossible to win.

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number_1_zombs_fan

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are you reading the post? he's criticizing tenz not dapr lmao

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Akaxashi

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are you reading the reply? he's criticizing tenz not dapr lmao

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number_1_zombs_fan

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Wait I'm fucking retarded

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EU_quiet

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Tenz was not the only problem... you can't do anything with 1 duelist... their comps made no sense for half the maps

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ItsMeDio

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yeah, i think some of the best solution :

let sick learn other duelist agent like raze or reyna
tenz need to learn other agent, not just jett

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bro sick was an amazing raze and phoenix but they made him switch to skye and sage only...i remember him carrying the team with duelists before tenz joined

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blicey

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honestly i think the problem is they lost to Kru, the way they fix this problem is by beating the game AI, Kru

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ItsMeDio

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lol

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number_1_zombs_fan

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they should've clicked more heads, the liquid way of doing things.

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ItsMeDio

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yeah, it's so easy right
just click ur mouse

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Not a Sentinels fan. But if you look at their streams, they are so good individually and better than most of the players except Zombs(Don't know about him. Haven't watched any streams). What they are lacking is a good coach and an analyst. They should do less stream practice more strategically. Their strats are so basic and poor. Everything is on Shahzam. Let a coach and an analyst handle it. Simple.

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number_1_zombs_fan

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I've denied this point for so long but at this point after watching them run their head into a wall on attacks over and over again I'm inclined to agree with you.

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ItsMeDio

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they need to hire coach from other region (EU or KR)
NA really need to put strat on their games (not just tenz go kill, yay go kill)

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Omega_lul

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Get MikesHD or Tanishzq both are great coaches

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Gunzout97

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They literally had a coach for champs, what are you smoking

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ItsMeDio

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OTHER REGION
i said other region
NA really lack of great coach

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jumpeeXD

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your team played well, respect for your team

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ItsMeDio

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no
this is not my team lol
i just lost bet to vlr user
if sen lose i will use kru flair, same with him

#51

luckypleb

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lol i read that thread.

damn i use this site too much huh

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jumpeeXD

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oh oof

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Hiring a player as a coach just before the tournament is gonna help to win a major? Good luck kiddo

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ciro

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TenZ is not performing in the big games which is bad for them, but i honestly think it comes down to lack of practice. They underestimated KRU coming into the game and every minor region is getting better at the game. SEN needs to keep up with them in effort too, having more talent than the other team wont win you games

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Mca

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Take out Zombs bc there are really better controllers in NA, he usually bottomfrags and Holds back the potential of the team.

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frockfrog

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like who?? who are the controller in NA that top frag ??

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jumpeeXD

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dephh from xset. i see him a better option on astra for sentinels

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plas

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xset COO said on twitter
"winning > money"
so no not happening

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jumpeeXD

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damn... welp. theres no good astras except for dephh and vanity.. fuck

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ItsMeDio

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marved is good too
but it's impossible to him get out from envy kekw

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jumpeeXD

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im pretty sure hes still on loan who knows, a trade maybe but envy and sentinels have bad blood since masters berlin so idk if marved for zombs would be reasonable

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Omega_lul

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Supamen from rise??

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frockfrog

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can't argue with this, supamen supremacy

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frockfrog

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Zombs should go to duelists role.

no cap

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ItsMeDio

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so he can get 40 frag

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Kronaman

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With his running, jumping, sliding spectre kills.

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First priority should be to cut rawkASS as he's kinda braindead and he's really only there to keep the seat warm. Imo I think it's not really a TenZ problem cuz other EU teams can also win when their star player is having a relatively bad day. But now the real problem is Zombs IDC what any1 says is it's time for him to be cuz as well, personally, I was all for Zombs nation but now the feeling is just let's kick him. I feel like b4 there was an excuse that he was negative in a #1 NA cuz they were still winning, but now that they're losing it's time to cut the bullshit and leave, like being in a #1 NA team and being bottom 6 in the entire tournament is very concerning and should definitely not be happening. So I end this by saying I'll give him one more tournament to perform and if he doesn't and SEN still don't cut his ass I just physically can't bring myself to support them anymore.

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Omega_lul

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Couldn’t have tenz picked up sage and sick plays raze??

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ItsMeDio

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they are too scared too try different comps i think
that was cost them a lot

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jumpeeXD

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its not that theyre scared, its that theyre not comfortable with the agents they play. shahz on skye and tenz on jett was a weird one despite both these players used to play duelist on split

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classic tenz
choking at the most important time

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Tenz effect has faded away kekw

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eSBee

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This is sure for a fact that we are not going to see any roster changes in Sen. So the best they can do is reflect from the mistakes they did this year, because from this point onwards teams are only going to get stronger n stronger, plus there would many more new teams, under big org, joining the valorant competitive scene next year.

As for Tenz performance been deteriorating every intl. tournament, ik for a fact he will come bacc stronger on jett n reyna but as a backup plan, he should try putting his hands on other agents too(e.g. chamber) that suits his style of play. This is somewhat similar to what jamppi did, when he was new to valorant. When he realized that his jett need more work, he tried playing more agents n now he plays jett, sova, astra impactfully on diff maps.

Shahzam, Dapr n Sick had been pretty much the same throughout the year, with a bit of an up down.

As for Zombs "He needs to do less typing n more playing"

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yaiima0

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Find a better coach, stop streaming and practice more, cut Zombs, let Tenz learn more agents. Simple fix!

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ItsMeDio

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AGREE
no need to drop zombs imo
or they can use 6 man roster (with sinatraa in certain map)

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vyltx

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sinatraa give lakia effect???

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starscream

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Looks like it's time to replace the mouse.

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The main bit that annoyed be with how he was playing, was forcing the guardian. He's been spamming it in ranked before the event, where it worked. Only place I saw it work at all, was on bind against Liquid, where he was hitting everything. Other than that, it just looked like 2.2k down the drain.

Other than that, I just dont think he's a split player. His last decent split game was the first match against f4q, where he went 22-16. Other than that, he's not played well on that map.

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if tenz dont show up, sentinel is nothing. that's why i like team that is playing like a team (not depend on one player)

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ItsMeDio

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not as simple like that
every good team have great duelist player (except gambit, rare case)
u can see that in C9B, FNATIC, Liquid, and etc

tenz in this tournament is his worst performance so far