Break it up for me please

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Inort

If we look at the teams, Vitality and KC almost have the same team
A world Champion, Experienced players, cracked Aimers, and
Upcoming talents
But where did KC fall off, Both of the teams are A superteam in someway,
What key factor did Vitality have that KC didn't
Or should I wait Until regular season begins

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blooperdooper45

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I mean ur comparing derke and less to suygestsu and marteen

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Inort

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Uh role wise yeah but team wise no
Derke is on another level but less and sugeytsu can be compared

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no they can't

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blooperdooper45

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A few years ago maybe but less has been another level of consistent the past couple of years, and I would take Less above Sugeytsu 10/10 times

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Inort

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Ehh maybe I should put them in experience-wise category? Young but still played major time in Valo esports

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blooperdooper45

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Experience-wise yeah they're very similar, but in terms of value and current form, Less is steps ahead

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Inort

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So less is making the difference between KC and Vitality?

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blooperdooper45

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I think its just across the board form. VIT has way more firepower than KC. VIT hasn't looked like they've had a strong macro game, which is the difference between sayf and saadhak at igl, but their much higher individual skill makes up for it, at least this early in the season.

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I still believe that if i am comparing Less and Suygetsu, who btw share almost similar block of agents i.e. sentinel and controller, then individually Suygetsu has had a better run than Less. And i am going back to the time when Suygetsu used to play for FPX and Less for loud. Even in the recent tourney Suygetsu had better perf than Less individually.

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blooperdooper45

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Idk Less won champs and was insane on LOUD the next year as well I don't think Suygetsu had a measurably better run. And idk what ur on but Less has been much better in recent years

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PGSD4

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I think we watched different KC because suygetsu is still a very good player and he is the best in the team at the moment

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He's still very good but not near his old ceiling. I argue FPX suygetsu was comparable (if not better at times) to LOUD Less, but that's been a while now.

Again, no one disagrees that suygetsu is still insanely good. Less has simply been consistently better for a while now.

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PGSD4

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Suygetsu just chose to develope in different way. Less is still more like individual player while suygetsu changed his role and become a second caller

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ur tripping

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alienista1

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Trexx, Less, Derke, and Sayf have been world-class players for years, while Kicks is a good player.

Avez is a young Tier 2 talent, Marteen and Elite are good players, while Suygetsu is a player who was once world-class but is past his prime.

There is no comparison between the two teams, not at the moment.

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Vitality is much more experienced and had a better read on the meta i guess

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Schneefeuer1

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Derke >>>> Marteen
Kicks < Sadhaak
Trexx = Avez
Sayf >> Suygetsu
Less >>> Elite