Break it up for me please

If we look at the teams, Vitality and KC almost have the same team
A world Champion, Experienced players, cracked Aimers, and
Upcoming talents
But where did KC fall off, Both of the teams are A superteam in someway,
What key factor did Vitality have that KC didn't
Or should I wait Until regular season begins

I mean ur comparing derke and less to suygestsu and marteen

blooperdooper45 [#2]

I mean ur comparing derke and less to suygestsu and marteen

Uh role wise yeah but team wise no
Derke is on another level but less and sugeytsu can be compared

Inort [#3]

Uh role wise yeah but team wise no
Derke is on another level but less and sugeytsu can be compared

no they can't

Inort [#3]

Uh role wise yeah but team wise no
Derke is on another level but less and sugeytsu can be compared

A few years ago maybe but less has been another level of consistent the past couple of years, and I would take Less above Sugeytsu 10/10 times

Inort [#3]

Uh role wise yeah but team wise no
Derke is on another level but less and sugeytsu can be compared

ur tripping

blooperdooper45 [#5]

A few years ago maybe but less has been another level of consistent the past couple of years, and I would take Less above Sugeytsu 10/10 times

Ehh maybe I should put them in experience-wise category? Young but still played major time in Valo esports

Inort [#7]

Ehh maybe I should put them in experience-wise category? Young but still played major time in Valo esports

Experience-wise yeah they're very similar, but in terms of value and current form, Less is steps ahead

blooperdooper45 [#8]

Experience-wise yeah they're very similar, but in terms of value and current form, Less is steps ahead

So less is making the difference between KC and Vitality?

Inort [#9]

So less is making the difference between KC and Vitality?

I think its just across the board form. VIT has way more firepower than KC. VIT hasn't looked like they've had a strong macro game, which is the difference between sayf and saadhak at igl, but their much higher individual skill makes up for it, at least this early in the season.

Trexx, Less, Derke, and Sayf have been world-class players for years, while Kicks is a good player.

Avez is a young Tier 2 talent, Marteen and Elite are good players, while Suygetsu is a player who was once world-class but is past his prime.

There is no comparison between the two teams, not at the moment.

Vitality is much more experienced and had a better read on the meta i guess

blooperdooper45 [#8]

Experience-wise yeah they're very similar, but in terms of value and current form, Less is steps ahead

I still believe that if i am comparing Less and Suygetsu, who btw share almost similar block of agents i.e. sentinel and controller, then individually Suygetsu has had a better run than Less. And i am going back to the time when Suygetsu used to play for FPX and Less for loud. Even in the recent tourney Suygetsu had better perf than Less individually.

eSBee [#13]

I still believe that if i am comparing Less and Suygetsu, who btw share almost similar block of agents i.e. sentinel and controller, then individually Suygetsu has had a better run than Less. And i am going back to the time when Suygetsu used to play for FPX and Less for loud. Even in the recent tourney Suygetsu had better perf than Less individually.

Idk Less won champs and was insane on LOUD the next year as well I don't think Suygetsu had a measurably better run. And idk what ur on but Less has been much better in recent years

Derke >>>> Marteen
Kicks < Sadhaak
Trexx = Avez
Sayf >> Suygetsu
Less >>> Elite

blooperdooper45 [#5]

A few years ago maybe but less has been another level of consistent the past couple of years, and I would take Less above Sugeytsu 10/10 times

I think we watched different KC because suygetsu is still a very good player and he is the best in the team at the moment

PGSD4 [#16]

I think we watched different KC because suygetsu is still a very good player and he is the best in the team at the moment

He's still very good but not near his old ceiling. I argue FPX suygetsu was comparable (if not better at times) to LOUD Less, but that's been a while now.

Again, no one disagrees that suygetsu is still insanely good. Less has simply been consistently better for a while now.

LycheeBlade [#17]

He's still very good but not near his old ceiling. I argue FPX suygetsu was comparable (if not better at times) to LOUD Less, but that's been a while now.

Again, no one disagrees that suygetsu is still insanely good. Less has simply been consistently better for a while now.

Suygetsu just chose to develope in different way. Less is still more like individual player while suygetsu changed his role and become a second caller