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About Brazil vs EMEA in Iceland

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#1
Noyn

Let's talk about which Brazilian teams have the best chance of making it to Iceland. Watching the EMEA games I realized that the European teams are really solid and make few mistakes, but I also thought that the Turkish teams did not show their true potential, I believe they were afraid to impose their own pace and ended up making the games from Liquid, Fnatic, and Guild, I could see that some of the Turkish players are really good but I found the teams a little outdated in general and I think most players make the wrong decisions in the middle of the round. What parallel can you draw by relating these Turkish teams to the Brazilian top 4? I really think that Team Vikings is one level above the others because although they are very good mechanically, the winning condition of the team is strategy and intelligence, Vikings and Sharks play at a much slower pace compared to Furia and Gamelanders and the other teams in the region, I believe Vikings can win if they manage to impose their own pace of play in Iceland, they have the mechanics, aim, and intelligence to do that, and I believe that individually they are better than Fnatic, Guild, and FPX, but FPX is a team that adapts more quickly to the opponent's style of play and is a more solid team. Gamelanders I think is a strategically very simple team but perhaps they have the greatest firepower of all who will be in Iceland if Mwzera and Jonn are in their day (which always happens) and Fznn keeps winning all the clutch rounds as he has done after the Masters, this team despite being simple has a lot of experience and 4 players who were world champions, they will not go TILT on LAN. Furia is a team that has a very strong staff that knows how to prepare well and take care of its athletes, it is the most aggressive team of the 4 and 3 of its players has 17yo and never played a LAN, I really think that if this team plays all that you know they can surprise the European teams because they are 5 very strong players and one of the best in the world in their roles imo, who have learned to coordinate aggressiveness and talent with intelligence, and I do not see any European team that plays like Furia.

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Kaeven
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I totally agree, and I think gamelanders wouldn't struggle so much at first since it's being facing vikings, which has a style inspired by the european scene, while I think (maybe I'm saying shit xD) that the europeans are not so used to the agressive style from gamelanders, and mwzera as well. So at the end, it would be a matter of europe adapting or not to the Brazilian style

#3
xLinksz
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Beautiful post. Finally someone who knows what Brazilian teams are capable of

#4
Rpl
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gamelanders and vikings go to iceland, sharks are a great team tactically and furious with inspired xand and qck can load games alone but for me these teams lack something more, so i think gl and vks are one level up.

gamelanders dominated everything in Brazil in 2020, that year even not playing all games well they still have a very good team, mwzera and john killing 30 per map, fzn winning many clutchs and nyang and jhow as supporters are very smart

vikings are one of the best teams in the world sacy and saadhack are very intelligent and study the game a lot, it’s not a coincidence that they changed the brazilian goal and for me it has one of the best ascent in the world

it is difficult to say if they are better or not until they have a confrontation, but I believe that the level in the BR is high and that they are able to compete with any team in the EU

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Noyn
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+1, I see Furia and Sharks as smarter and more tactical teams than Gamelanders, but I think they have not yet reached their peak of power. Gamelanders dominated everything in 2020 but they were an amateur scenario that did not have the teams that BR have today, Furia and Vikings formed super teams when the year turned and I believe that others will emerge very soon. I also believe that Vikings has one of the best Ascent in the world, if not the best.

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redddiiiiii
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vikings has a really good fire power, and everyone there is experienced at LAN, they even changed the br meta (it was generally sova, omen, raze, jett and kj/cypher) now its looking like EU meta, recently they lost to gamelanders that is a team with super experienced player that knows how to adapt, but if theres one team that can defo win against top teams at LAN its vikings

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Andreyoliveira77
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Vikings has some experience in LAN too. Saadhack and frz played two world Championships in paladins and sacy is a former Brazilian LOL Champion.
Probably Will be GL and vikings in iceland, if covid let us go, Brazilians teams can have trouble with mono-awper players, since our scene doesn't play with mono-awpers.

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beb0p
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PALADINS

#38
Imafont
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LAN experience is LAN experience. Change ur flag back to North Korea it suits u more

#9
Noyn
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+1, I think so too, but FPX, Fnatic, and Guild do not have Main Operators as strong as the Turks or Cned

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FireII
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derke is main op
when he's on jett of course but i guess because he isnt always on jett hes not always on op either
and yeah russ, cned, toronto, magoo are much stronger opers than the eu teams, even jamppi

#39
Andreyoliveira77
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Yep, if you watch carefully Brazilian games even in defense the duelist makes the first contact, against a main awper attacking could be trouble.
One thing i didn't mentioned Brazilian teams use a lot of utilities to defend a bomb site, after seeing FNATIC x Oxygen, this can be baited a lot.

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Noyn
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I think that in maps the relationship is as follows: Bind - EU = BR; Haven - EU>BR; Split - EU>>BR; Ascent - EU<BR; Icebox - EU<<BR. And I think that Breeze is a map that Brazilians will have an advantage for quick executions and aiming, but it's just a guess.

#12
FireII
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i would favor fnatic over any team on bind, i want to see how it would play out

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Noyn
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I agree, imo Fnatic has the best Bind in the world, but I want to see how Vikings will plan to play against it

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cryyBAE
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Br's haven isn't good at all, but i think Sharks have one of the better haven's in the world ... Here in Brazil against them is just instaban.

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Noyn
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Yes, they are 15/1 at Haven

#14
PNegri
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I agree with you on certain points, but others I see differently ...
With respect to GL, I believe that they are a very strong team, prepared, experienced and fit, that do not have a few strategies as said (a good discussion, including). I see GL as a team of easy execution, but of extreme mastery with such, using and abusing its way of playing: aggressive, seeking confrontations with Jonn and Mwzera and imposing its rhythm on the opponent in the opening seconds. Yes, there were some falls in the last competitions, but this is normal for any team, just as one day Vikins or any other top 1 will have in their region (or already has).
I do not see these goals as 'European' or 'Brazilian'. The goal is every match, every match. When you see me, composition doesn't win. Yes, the selection of agents can help the way the team plays and yes, there are agents with higher picks than others (famous 'goals').
What is the use of talking to a team like GL, for example, that their 'goal' is weaker than that of VKS? After all, they are teams with different game proposals and mentalities, none is better or worse than one because of what they use or stop using. At least it is this little view on this subject.
Now about BR x EMEA, well, I think any type of assumption is complicated ... in my view, there will be fierce and well-balanced confrontations. I don't see this 'favoritism' as they do (regardless of sides). Of course, I play for the BR, but I don't rule out the quality of the EMEA teams, which, as you said, are solid and play a high level Valorant!
My top 4 BR is like this: VKS - GL - Furia - Sharks. But the level between them is so similar and so fierce that it would not be a surprise for Sharks, for example, to win against Vikings! Yes, there is favoritism because of everything that the teams have been demonstrating, but I don't think that there really is this barrier that separates them so faithfully as something that causes surprise if a result like this happens.
The players themselves comment on this and say that the level among the 4 biggest players in BR is very tenuous, each game is a story, a 'goal'.
I found the discussion quite interesting, even! +1

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Noyn
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I think it is unlikely that Saadhaak will lose to Gamelanders again, the players are angry and the Challengers finals will be BANGERS. Saadhak said in a stream that he thought the team very disconnected from the game in the last match against Gamelanders and said that in the next match they will come in full force!

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PNegri
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I don't think it's improbable for several reasons ... come on.
Saadhak is a genius, that is indisputable, but even he knows that it is not possible for them to simply not lose to team X or Y. If this happens, friend, excuse me but it will show that the Brazilian scene does not evolve and that it remains stagnant . Times tier 1 have to lose and adapt as difficulties arise, it's normal! No team is invincible. When GL lost to VKS, many said it was the end, then SHK came and from there they ruled out that they would win a Vikings again, but the players went there and did so.
It may be that in a next game the Vikings will win, and I think this will really happen, but not because they are better and the others worse, but because they adapted and brought new ideas for the opponent to deal with, and that's a good thing! The scenario grows and evolves.
Just as Saadhak said that VKS was disconnected as a team against GL, GL players said they were disconnected against VKS in the Masters final. We cannot really say that one is simply better or that one will not lose more. In the end, what really matters is the growth of the scenario. One team depends on the other to grow and they know it!

#37
Noyn
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It will be a great game, I want to see these teams in full force after the post-Masters metashift

#15
cryyBAE
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I want to see VKS and GL in Iceland. VKS plays just like a EU team with 5 players with amazing aim, and GL, for me, it's the team with more aim skill in the world rn

#18
Noyn
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Because of Mwzera and Jonn yes, but I think Furia has the strongest aim of the 5 players

#30
cryyBAE
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All of 5 players from GL has great aim. The point it's they don't look that good because they have Jonn and Mw in the same team ...

#32
Noyn
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Nozwerr + Khalil + Teddy >> Fznn + Nyang + Jhow with the AIM and SKILLS

#19
p1lot
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GL and VKS are good teams but I think they'll struggle against solid teams like fnatic and FPX

#21
redddiiiiii
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i dont agree with you, vks and gamelanders looks pretty solid, rembember that acend won against fpx and fnatic, and acend was basically a new team back then

#24
FireII
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masters 1 was acend's honeymoon phase

#23
Noyn
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I think Sova diff is going to be big between Brazilian and European teams, I don't see Brazilian teams losing as many clutchs as the Turks did. Gamelanders and VKS are very solid teams too, and don't forget that the games will be on LAN, will FPX and Fnatic be performing on LAN? Gamelanders and Vikings we know so ..

#22
FireII
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I think 1 thing that could happen for the brazilians is something like turkey (judging off of a small sample size i know)

they have stars like jonn and mwzera for gamelanders, xand and quick for furia, gaab and prozin on sharks

the other players on the team may way them down in this case when they have so called dud games, like basically everyone can have one on gl other than jonn and mwzera (jhow has a lot), txddy on furia, anyone on sharks can have a bad day as well, so the consistency of each player is put into account

for vks i think they wont have this problem, or it'll be to a low extent, but we'll have to see

iceland will be interesting (its been said 1 million times have to say it again)

#25
Noyn
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At Gamelanders 4 players are world champions (except Mwzera). Sharks Prozin and Light are world champions and the others have a lot of experience in CSGO LAN (middle age). In Furia we have Xand who has already played CSGO major and has even played for Coldzera and Kng, Nozwerr has played many games in Lan too, the problem is the other 3 players. At Vikings it is what you have already mentioned above, I do not think it is the case with TILT.

#29
redddiiiiii
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i dont think they being new are a problem, search for veroneze, he never played LAN before, and didnt choke, he actually played so much better than online

#31
Noyn
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It can be, it will be LAN without crowd btw

#34
FireII
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i dont think inexperience is a falling point i just think consistency and frag power may be faulty

#40
Andreyoliveira77
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I don't know how will be the stage, but Brazilian teams (except for GL) are well known for being Very loud in LAN. It's really funny for the crowd and can tilt some New players.
GL as being the most experienced looks like CS Astralis or Furia, they don't show any emotion

#26
redddiiiiii
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the thing is, they are support players, they dont need to frag when mwzera and jonn are killing 30, fznn can win so many clutches, jhow is a good anchor and has some insane abillity usage, nyang is the igl but can also frag when he needs to, etc

#28
Noyn
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You forced Jhow to be insane with skills, for me he is the worst of the 20 players but he is a decent Anchor

#33
cryyBAE
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Jhow it's just underated. He isn't the worst of the 20 players never.

#35
Noyn
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So, who is?

#42
cryyBAE
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Denaro, Fra, Light, Teddy ... Jhow it's better than theses guys. The point is he's in GL, and GL has Mw and Jonn, so we think he's not that good, but that is unreal.

#43
redddiiiiii
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imo the players on GL are at least top 5 for their role

#27
Noyn
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But that's it, LAN without crowd = OMEGALUL

#41
moet
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tldr

#44
VALoka
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brazil

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