Its sad to see these 2 orgs who are Tier 1 at CS struggling in Valorant .They need to revamp their whole roster and add in some good Free agents to their team
I feel like the main issue was their idea of signing. Many of them mushed together a team through players that were good or looked like they had good potential. I feel like many of these orgs should do what SoaR did and enter the scene by picking up an already existing and successful roster. By adding funding, management, and coach(s), it could end up developing some of these teams and really give them the ability to excel.