These contracts are 2 year contracts right…?
If they are, would the next ascension winner be replacing EG or just be another added slot?
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but G2 prolly not gon be replaced they had top 5 bundle sells in americas and their team is not that clouted
Unless they make the slots permanent with an expansion, regardless of the bundle sales they going down
That’s lame
Thought RIOT looked for financial stability
But I guess contracts are contracts
The 10 original teams have 4 year contracts, ascension teams have 2 year contracts. League will grow up to 14 teams. If you want to I can look up the format cause I've written it a thousand times
do you think that there will be changes to the league where ascension teams will have the opportunity to replace current teams/whoever finishes last in each region gets booted
No I don't think there will ever be relegation based on sport results. There will be based on other stuff. Say G2 for example does amazing this 2 years, not necessarily only sport wise but they create a really cool fanbase, people follow them, they have content and they bring something into the table. Riot can decide to give them a permanent spot replacing one of the original teams. Like EG that's broke and not doing shit
And I kinda agree with it, teams need chances man, this is not traditional sports. What if you relegated TH and KC last year? and instead you had Apeks and Acend for example. Orgs literally no one cares about and with mid ass rosters
but then you have teams like dfm who didn't win a single thing last year and dont look like they're going to win anything this year, but are still allowed to stay. what if bleed ends up somehow becoming the best team in the world, but have to give up their spot because they came from ascension
DFM is also a good example, not because they suck at Valorant but because they also don’t have a big fanbase or at least not one that can’t be replaced with any other big Japanese org. If they keep sucking means they have no clue how to build a team and with no fanbase they could be gone, yes
i think it's a bit unfair that theres a possibility that an ascension team starts winning everything but they don't get to stay
Yeah it is, it's the price of having fixed teams. Relegating the 2 worse teams is not a very good option because of the KC TH example I gave previously. Honestly I can only think of 1 solution, it's not viable now because there's only 1 ascended team tho. I think when we reach the 14 team league that is intended, the 4 non partnered teams should play a relegation tournament and the 2 worse teams should be the ones that descend, that way if a team is really good they can stay on the league but you still maintain stability for everyone else, if you ascend if you suck you go back
also relegating the worst teams could also hurt the diversity of the leagues, such as if kru were relegated, there wouldnt be any LAS teams in franchising
Correct, I would imagine most of them will get renewed but it's not a gurantee at all, it depends on Riot
Well could have thought so about EG 6 months ago, who knows. But yes high fanbase teams are by far the least likely teams to get dropped, they would have to mess up really bad off valorant, like controversies, being broke, etc
Yeah but if their investors leave like it happened to EG then you never know. They will most likely, I'm just saying 2027 is very far away
yes the few millions the SEN bundle makes will make a difference when they make 20+ million on every bundle
Bundle sales is not the only source of revenue for Riot. Sentinels fan base literally bring more viewers than any other org. Take a look at the top 5 most viewers masters madrid. Looks like your name suits you.
iirc, its another slot until we are have 14 teams, then it replaces the team that was in franchising longest that ascended. So the team going down in 2028 would be G2...
which is really stupid because imagine G2 wins champs 2027, then has to play in tier 2 in 2028...
would really appreciate if riot incorporated just basic football league shit,
easy 3 tiers
I wouldn't mind if it was like
One league season running throughout the year
midway through you have internationals 1 then keeping the same league you have champs end of year based on league results from whole season
that way a team can't make champs without being good all year ez
LCQ for the teams that improve quickly
I think even with a minimal change of having the bottom 2 teams relegate and top 2 in tier 2 promote is enough
This isn't a traditional sport that wouldn't work at all. Think about that would have happened this year, you would have Acend and Apeks (Not counting M8 since I guess the league would still grow up to 14) instead of TH and KC. Nobody would give a shit about Acend and Apeks cause they're way smaller than TH and KC, their rosters could be good but there is no gurantee. Instead TH and KC can bounce back this year and be great.
This isn't football man, here you can change your entire team from one day to another and go from dead last to best team just like that, it's a completely different situation
i mean its harsh but its far more fair than a closed loop
also like who cares lol bayer leverkusen aren't in the UCL this year and they went from probably a top 20 team to a top 2 team itw just like that, so your point is kind of mute to me.
I would also just increase T1 to 14 slots and wouldn't relegate last year
starting this year say BBL and KOI are relegated, whats the loss? to me nothing is lost
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In the format you suggested Bayer Leverkusen would do the exact same thing that you suggested. You're trying ti change the relegation system not the ascension one that's already how you said it is.
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14 slots is already the case, idk if you know the exact format, read #23
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What's the loss, I just explained you the loss. Take last year, KC and TH relegated, what's the loss? See it doesn't make sense?
I'm saying it does make sense, last year KC and TH were worse than Apeks and M8 and probably Acend would win too.
They can sign the same players and be back next year, you're using hindsight to say relegation is bad but its FAIR.
I would have 14 slots as of this year and just not relegate since it was first year, meaning the 2024 season would be the same as 2023 but + saw apeks acend m8 which sounds great to me.
Then in end of 2024 you get promotion and relegation, if a team pulls a Bayer Leverkusen then they can grind back up to tier 1
You can also add more tournaments maybe some riot sponsored ones that involve T1 and T2 ( don't play the exhaustion bs, theyre esports players )
You're not getting my point tho when I say this is not a traditional sport
Apeks and M8 were better than KC and TH last year, which is traditional sports usually means that is the case this year aswell. However it's not the case them being better last year does not mean they're gonna be better this year at all
No, KC and TH couldn't have signed the same players if they weren't in tier 1
I agree more tournaments are needed but that will also be the case next year with 3 splits instead of 2 like LOL
but you're using hindsight, it's not fair lol
why should leverkusen have qualified to the UCL when they weren't good enough last year?
Do you get what I'm saying, if you're not good enough to be in tier 1 now, why should you be above someone who's currently above you just because of a slight possibility you may improve?
Apeks Acend M8 DESERVE t1 more than 2023 KC and Heretics, you're using hindsight to justify a garbage point tbh
Leverkusen wouldn't have qualified, they would be winning ascension this year, in both the format you proved and the current one, there's no difference, you wanna change relegation not ascension
I do not get what you're saying. There's only one possibility of what I might be missing from your point. Do you mean those teams should be relegated after every split (there will be 3 splits next year) or at the end of the season? If it's after every split it could make some sense, if it's after every season it does not make sense at all and I hard disagree
It's not using hindsight to criticize a decision from the past. I'm using the previous data of what has already happened to justify which format is better for the future, completely different. I'm saying your format will already have been worse for this first year
I see a lot of confusion with what franchising is actually like so I'm just gonna leave here some info
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Partnered teams get a 4 year contract which means. After that period if they do shit Riot can kick them out and replace them with a new org, presumably one of the ascended ones that has proven to them they are valuable, have a good fanbase and create content and good teams.
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This is how the league grows:
2023: 1 team ascends (11 team league)
2024: 1 team ascends (12 team league)
2025: 2 team ascend, 2023 team is relegated (13 team league)
2026: 2 team ascend, 2024 team is relegated (14 team league)
Summer 2026 partnered contracts expire this is where they can get replaced
2027 and on: 2 teams ascend and the 2 teams that ascended 2 years ago (2025) are relegated (14 team league forever)
So GE, EG, DFM, BBL will be leaving in 2026.
Next year is the last year we get to see these teams.
No, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026 are the 4 years. 2027 would be the first year they're gone
And those are very different situations, EG for example is named despite being good sport wise and yet I would say has the most chances of being gone. Riot won't look at sport results as much but at everything else.
Last year you would have included TH and KC in this list and they're gone now, you might have SEN FNC and PRX at the bottom of the standings by 2026 who tf knows
What are the chances of mid team like RRQ and TS to be removed from the franchising if they kept the current pace? RRQ got a controversial last year about picking up three budget player and Riot had to files an official letter to RRQ (?), and TS with the so-called Nepo team by the Valorant fanbase?
I see what you mean. I have an idea of what Riot can look at and will give value but it's extremely hard to know. I do know those 2 reasons are much more likely than just "being shit"
Ig it also depends what other alternatives Riot has yk, if there are no better candidates that might help. But say Bleed does great this 2 years then they might wanna keep them instead. I also don't know how much value they will give to maintaining a representative for each subregion (Philippines/ Indo etc)
the original 30 franchised teams stay unless a violation of conduct happens whereas after 2 years the ascension teams are relegated
No, the 30 original teams have 4 year contracts. I'm 100% positive on that one
Same people who leaked which teams were getting in. Lembo/anonimotum
It’s probably official somewhere tho I would have to look
Exactly I have never seen anyone saying that the 30 franchise teams can get relegated
Rushi also said that they are permanently in the franchise league until they don't break any of the rules of riot
I see what the article says but I gurantee you it's not true. 2 main reasons for you to believe me
1 My source is anonimotum who literally leaked all teams that were in where that page is just informing of what information there is, not providing their own info
2 It doesn't make sense to have indefinite partnerships, if that as the case teams would own the spots. Also indefinite how until eternity?
Nahi I doubt on this tbh gotta confirm it from somewhere but I remember team saying we are here permanently
Here found it. Anonimotum is the best reporter in Valorant, hasn't missed a single report and leaked every single franchised team before anyone. I am 100% positive on what I'm saying.
https://blix.gg/news/details-on-the-valorant-partnership-program-in-2023
Also thinking it's permanent can be a common misconception, thinking it's 4 years it's way too specific to be a confusion
One, this article is 2 years old, and two, there is nothing in there that is a guarantee, and also, I have found no other sources there.
One, your article is also 1,5 years old
Two there are no other sources because that is the source, the article is written by Anonimotum who is the source. That’s the difference with yours, they don’t actually have information
But anyway don’t believe it if you don’t want to but that’s how franchising works
The whole reason why it's 4 years is because of the hub city situation. Jake Sin (Head of APAC Valorant Esports) on recent chat on will chobra channel says he wants the opportunity in the future to possibly change hub city. However changing hub city will require massive costs on production/staff/player visa situation.
So ur saying after the whole 4 years, there's gonna be ANOTHER round of org screening that takes 6 months + of application? Jake Sin talks about the org literally have to be able to run overseas operation in different country. The original 30 (now 40) are permanent stay in partnership league with 4 years meeting the time plan of ascension/promotion timeline.
There is a round of org screening every single year with ascension idk what you’re saying. That is why The Guard was rejected this year and had G2 come in instead. They already know the orgs that are inside, no need to do anything with that, if they want to replace one they can just not renew them and add one of the ascended ones
the ascension winning team screening is completely different to the original founding permanent 30 (40), Leo Faria already talk about this in Plat Chat. My points is the original permanent will always stay in partnership but the contracts will depends if there might be a change of the location of the hub city.
long offseason are for:
- give separate time for GC
- League Worlds
- give time for region to make off-season events
- provide reasonable time for orgs to sign players (VISA), example xccurate and jemkin took 3 months for VISA. It took Indian GE players 5 months for VISA in 2023.
I agree with what you are saying, but a leaker is not always correct. The article I posted is from a website with authors who write articles for a living and have fact-checks. If you can find me your source, I will be more inclined to agree. But for now, you are making baseless claims. In addition, I believe it would make sense to have indefinite partnerships because of the sheer following of specific teams and how they already have significant fanbases. Lastly, the whole "partnered teams" would not make sense if it was just a contract for four years because then every "partnered team" would be relegated. Riot shouldn't be allowed to pick and choose.
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After 4 years Riot decides who's contract they want to renew and who's not
And yes this leaker is always correct. Also you cannot expect the source you just linked to have the same information since they look like a they write about many different things, while anonimotum is specific.
Also how in the world do you make up such an specific format if it wasn't true
I mean leaks can be wrong but sportskeeda is more trustable as they litteraly write on Esports for a living idk tho
Also i have seen many org owners saying that i surely trust org owners who are in franchise more than a Leaker.
its an added slot, so 2025 we have G2 and 2024 Ascension winner. Then in end 2025 G2s 2 year time period is gone and a new team wins the spot ( does G2 get to compete to keep theirs?) and then 2024 Ascension winner stays for 2026 til the end with the new team
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