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A defense of transgenderism

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StutterSt3p

I've been on here defending transgenderism and now it's too much to respond to, so here's my defense in one thread: (incoming downvotes, allat, and other dismissals)

Some of ya'll on here are confident as shit that there are only two genders, and I'm starting to believe you were never taught the difference between sex and gender.

So here it is:

Sex (as defined by Google):
"either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions."

Now here the important part is "on the basis of their reproductive functions," because this is only a small part of who we are. I mean whose first response to the question "Who are you?" is to answer with what their genitals are? No, you would respond with characteristics of your personality and important aspects of how you want to be known (most of which I would assume are not physical features).

Gender (as defined by Google): "the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female."

I know some of you are going to read the first phrase and run to the comments parading, but the important part here is "...or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female." But especially the "established ideas of male and female," is the part where people don't seem to understand. See, what our concept of gender is, is made up. What makes something masculine or feminine is completely arbitrary. Like why do usually women wear dresses and men usually don't? Or why are men traditionally perceived as the providers of the family, while women are caregivers? These are just a couple of examples of how gender has been socially constructed.

Now comparing the two, what in the physical description of someone necessarily indicates things about how they should be? Or rather why would someone with XX chromosomes be more likely to wear a dress than someone with a Y chromosome? Without gender there is nothing to interpret what those chromosomes mean. And thus, you end up with two, everchanging notions of what a man and women are. But those are just two ideas of what someone can be, and not everyone falls into either of those categories. And since gender is not necessarily a physical descriptor, but rather a social/cultural descriptor, someone can choose whether to abide by that label, or another label or identify with something completely different.

There is more to go into, but I'll leave it at that. I recognize that this is kind of a lot to take in, and I've been a little confrontational today. This isn't really an attack so much as it's just trying to be informative. I hope this was somewhat helpful. I just wanted to share this considering transgenderism gets brought up a lot on this site.

TLDR: Gender is a social construct and is different than sex. Evidence of this can be found by analyzing the origins of our notion of what a man and a woman are. Thus, there are more than two genders.

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goofyahh1447
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you're too obsessed and you're looking at it through american lenses. nobody cares

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shrubonfire
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it’s pretty clear a lot of people on this site care if there are so many posts about it lol

#11
goofyahh1447
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it's mostly stars and stripes people

#12
moonemi
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“ american lenses”

trans people have been killed or have had microaggressions done against them for simply existing and wanting respect. i’ve seen people making fun of trans people on here and other places also. it’s a valid concern if you think being trans is a mental health issue and the dysphoria needs to be addressed. but let’s leave that to doctors and physiatrists to address.

if being american means being tolerant to what other people identify as and at least listening to their issues and concerns then yea i’ll gladly look at things through american lenses.

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goofyahh1447
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good for you. just don't expect all people to adopt you worldview. there are 7.7 billion people living outside america's borders

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StutterSt3p
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This concept applies to anyone regardless of where they live though. It's not like transgenderism only exists in part of the world. It's just not punished as heavily in the US as in other places.

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moonemi
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???

people with gender dysphoria need help. not prejudice or discrimination and stripped of their rights.

just because they have mental health issues per say, doesn’t mean trans people around the world should be disrespected, killed or assaulted.

just treat them like human beings?? call them as whatever they want to be addressed as and leave them alone ? it’s not that hard. leave it to the doctors to treat their issues lol

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moonemi
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like i’m so confused?

y’all hate trans people that much. ?

#21
M0kii
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i think the problem most people have here is trans people identifying as cis

#3
toast_ps
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allat + flag

#4
canyon
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Bro just leave it fr

#6
StutterSt3p
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I would, but this is an actual issue on this site, so I feel obligated to at least try to make a good argument.

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Vegaaa
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And when people say it isnt an actual issue: its literally affecting gc players

#5
night9ine
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Allat

#7
yawnster
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Did you know Liquid is signing Enzo?

#8
StutterSt3p
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W for him if they do.

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Poopoopeepeeman
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Your argument is BS because human cultures are inevitably influenced by our biology. The fact that this needs to be explained to shows that there is a problem here. If men are physically stronger and women have the capability to nurture an infant. The cultural roles will inevitably show some kind of divide around these different capabilities. If you think women are caregivers because gender is arbitrary and made up then I encourage you to actually go outside and talk to some women instead of jerking off to gender theorists with weird fetishes. Personality differences between men and women are shown to be cross cultural with men and women across the globe showing specific preferences from a young age. Do the female Rhesus monkeys prefer dolls over trucks because they have been oppressed by the monkey patriarchy? Human beings are not ghosts in a machine immune to their natural proclivities. You aren't bringing anything new to the table here. You are not informing anyone, you are just aa sociology major.

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StutterSt3p
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Yeah, it's true that biology has somewhat influenced gender over time, but I did say gender was ever-changing which is kind of true. Nowadays, there isn't a need for traditional gender roles, and it's more productive for those roles to be integrated. Also, I'm not even a sociology major, I just took one class lol. But most of this stuff is pretty base-level anyway. Also, there are some trends either way like men tend to do/think X, and women tend to do/think Y, but a lot of that is socialized, meaning they developed to think that way.

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Poopoopeepeeman
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Traditional gender roles certainly do have utility. Women are not going to work in oil rigs, fight wars cut trees etc etc at the same rate as men. If you think these things are really malleable and we can socially engineer women to wrestle pipe just as good as men then you are delusional. You are once again showing your ignorance of biology. The hormones which men and women produce differences in brain anatomy. These differences (on average) pre-dispose men to certain fields or activities. Men will always have a higher proclivity towards violent aggression for instance. If you read the relevant literature, you would see that women actually prefer jobs which are stereotypically feminine when they live in countries with high amounts of economic freedom Stoet and Geary (2018). Men and women are allowed to be different. It is not the job of the social engineers to change it.

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I mean yeah there are certain things that are more favored to men and more favored to women just based on physicality, but most things don't require such a level of physicality for this difference to be that relevant. Also, from your point about men being more violent onwards, there's still an element of socialization. Even if there's more opportunity in certain places to work in places that are atypical for your gender, you might have been socialized to believe you're better off in a place you "conform" to more. This is actually pretty relevant for gaming, considering that gaming isn't an inherently male thing to do, but has been dominated for years, despite there being chances for women to participate.

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M0kii
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bees are social insects never seen them identify as beetles

#23
StutterSt3p
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Lol, is this real or a joke?

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