is optic/nrg the most overrated team ever?

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msarez

a common narrative we hear is that champions is the only tournament that matters, and that masters arent as important and lockin even less so.
now that envy/nrg have bombed out of 2 champions group stages(x10 and blg), is it safe to say they are the most over rated? and they dont show up when it matters the most?

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fnatic flair bandwagoner piss off. your igl achieved nothing before franchising

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msarez

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top 2 masters? top 8 champions? 2x EU champions? those arent achievements?

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SigmaMale

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exactly, thats nothing. where are the international wins? every year, after every roster change they were excepted to win it all but they choked every single time.

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msarez

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plz name ONE tournament that everybody thought fnc were the favorites. and ive been a FNC fan for like 7 years im not a bandwagon..

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TrialRunnr

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literally every tournament except the first 3Fnatic were one of the favourites, you would know if you followed the scene but you are just a bandwagon

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alecksdesk

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owned that bandwagon

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msarez

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bro fnatic werent at berlin.
gambit were favorites for champs.
fnatic had TWO subs at reykjavik, not favorites
they were not favorites for copenhagen
OR CHAMPS 22
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MAYBE closest one is copenhagen, but loud/optic were clear favorites

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TrialRunnr

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They were 4-0 in regional against the team that won Copenhagen, is this not being the favourites?

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msarez

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so it went from EVERY tournament to just copenhagen? why move goal posts

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TrialRunnr

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I said except the first 3, cant really blame them for iceland since they had subs but they were favourites for Champs 2022 aswell

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JustEnjoying

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keep rambling bandwagoner 🚬

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SigmaMale

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do you not remember alfa and derke farming the eu challengers and every one thought they were gonna win copenhagen and champs?
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/984/champions-tour-emea-stage-2-challengers

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mrGoudas

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Fnc were the undisputed favorites for copenhagen

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msarez

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maybe, felt like it was split between them and optic. but to say every tournament fnc was a favorite is crazy

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mrGoudas

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I agree that they werent favorites for every tournament but they were favorites for copenhagen

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JustEnjoying

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literally everyone of them lmfao

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Mystogan01

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Yet the masters win optic had was where emea 1st seed couldn't attend and seed 2 had 2 subs

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JustEnjoying

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yet both tourneys fnatic has won neither had the full optic team and the full loud team

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Mystogan01

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Didn't have a full team by their own willingly made roster changes, not because of subs. If they wanted to keep the old rosters or thought they'd do better, keep the old fucking rosters lmao

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JustEnjoying

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AJAJAJAJ "their own willingly made roster changes". you CAN NOT be serious right now. Rich as fuck org merchant, you are.

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Mystogan01

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Can not be series, please enlighten me. How were the roster changes not willingly made. Tell me what other causes forced the roster changes that the players did not want according to you

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JustEnjoying

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you really are serious? lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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kapteN

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copemeister supreme

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JustEnjoying

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are emea fans this dumb cause I just only did reverse psychology 💀

copenheimer 🗿

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kapteN

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strong cope royale

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Aladeenn

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2nd masters berlin
1st Reykjavik
3rd in Copaenhagen
2nd in Champs
4th Tokyo

Those arent achievements?

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Yessirskiiii

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Even the masters they "won" was fraudulent as the best team in the world FPX couldn't even make it

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msarez

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true also half of FNC. im just trying to appeal to what THEY have said before, that only champions matter

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DarkraH

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then why didnt fpx win champs?

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TrialRunnr

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takes real balls to talk like this with the flair of a team whose speciality is getting grouped

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mrGoudas

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Talking about getting grouped when optic got grouped in 2 out of 3 champs 💀

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JustEnjoying

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optic and nrg different teams goudass 🗿

The time optic got grouped victor had covid

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LyCan52

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optic only played in 1 champions and came 2nd wdym 3🗿

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TrialRunnr

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25% chance of getting grouped vs 50% chance of getting grouped, you tell me whats better

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alecksdesk

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can we have the same behavior about flukyo when PRX win champs? just keep up the same energy please

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DarkraH

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no

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Pengu12

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Def not don’t be braindead

#9

dezzo

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yes.
It’s time to move on with the “fns big brain igl he doesn’t need to kill” speech. Crashies isn’t as good as he was before. Ardiis gets the least impactful kills I’ve seen and Victor rages way too much
Team needs a brand new revamp

with that being said, bring back yay.

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Ailed

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Ur so boring

#12

msarez

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why u always so mean to me?

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Sorry 😞

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Kirya

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Yes
People are bragging about their consistenty and top 4-3 finishes but they always get easy bracket and their trophy is not legit

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I’m glad aylez and cnoob got you on that list

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Kirya

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Wow

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Moiraine

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Yepppp
Always have been. Got carried by the Ukraine war and Chamber one trick. Thank god, LOUD kept them from winning champs at least, that's why i'll always have a soft spot for LOUD.

Overrated trash, shouldve never even had a title but here we are. Luck is very important in esports.

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Yessirskiiii

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Talk yo shit brotha 🗣️🗣️🗣️💯💯