DERKE TOP 3 DUELIST? NOT IN MY BOOKS

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Surucuti

Mans choked on the most important game of the season, he had a good run in Lock In and people were putting him way higher than he actually is. Not better than Something, Aspas and even Sayf. Demon1 clears him. CHOKER

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demon1 does clear him

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canyon

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And leaf clears debot1

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https://www.vlr.gg/189053/cloud9-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-ubsf

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Just 1 fluke game, leaf has been dominant in T1 scene for so long, it was just the strong momentum EG had that gave debot1 a position to farm C9.
Also leaf was sleepy that day (sources close to me revealed)

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https://www.vlr.gg/189053/cloud9-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-ubsf

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Just 1 fluke game, leaf has been dominant in T1 scene for so long, it was just the strong momentum EG had that gave debot1 a position to farm C9.
Also leaf was sleepy that day (sources close to me revealed)

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hes good but overrated. lock in didnt have lower bracket and was an invitational tourney. who cares? really a choker

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exactly

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Look at the other tournaments stats and speak lol

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This is not the most important game of the season. It's not even a match like drx vs prx or nrg vs loud to determine who makes it to playoffs. Fnc are already in playoffs and there were no stakes in that game except trophy and maybe honor. Every single tournament he and aspas played together, he had better stats BTW. All the emea ppl are sleeping so u are farming up votes lol

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Honestly thats a loser mentality. LOUD had already clinched Masters and Champions, but you didnt see them choking like FNATIC did, especially their duelist who needs to frag out. If you watched the match, you saw how they got outplayed by the Liquid boys, they were trying but just couldnt(choking...). The best feeling a team can have is lifting a trophy, see DRX, they lost a lot of hype and respect, and so did FNATIC.

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Loud were playing for the spot in playoffs. Fnc were not. Yes they got outplayed by tl. But it happens when ur playstyle is the most dissected one in the entire world. Does this choke matter? No. Is it a learning experience for a team that hasn't tasted defeat b4? Yes.

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Hmm I don't know, kind of hard to compare players across the world at the moment seeing as we haven't seen them play each other but in EMEA he is probably best, what other duelist players compete with him?

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Sayf is definitely on par with him

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ckzera

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Yeah, that is really the only person who comes to mind, maybe like qw1 and ScreaM too buts that's it even then I would say Derke probably beats them in rankings. EMEA doesn't really have star duelists like APAC or AMERICAS do but all the other agent roles they excel at.

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U forgot twisten. He is a monster stuck in an average team

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ckzera

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Ohh yeah, he is really good, I don't watch a lot of EMEA because here in Australia their games are at 12 am so my knowledge isn't the best.

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What? It was literally the LEAST important game of the season. EMEA#1 and EMEA#2 have the same seeding.

I'm not saying they threw, I'm sure they wanted to stay undefeated. But to say this was an important game, is stupid because it was literally the least important game in the season.

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Ask any player the best feeling they could have while competing, and they'll say lifting a trophy. You're right about the seeding, but being in the bigger stage, competing to be crowned the king of EMEA, putting fear on your oponents going for Masters is not important? Come on man, you're shitting on a grand finals importance. DRX and FNATIC lost that intimidating aura they had before the finals.

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Was there even a trophy in the EMEA final?

Also, if you lose your aura in a showmatch (not even a seeding match), I wonder how much confidence people lost in Loud when they lost actually important games.

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Yes, they lifted the trophy after they won.

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There shouldve been both americas and pacific had one

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Yes, there was a trophy. And LOUD keep proving themselves, going for every grand finals on international events, literally the most consistent team in the past tourneys. Theres a reason teams copy LOUDs meta and composition.