I AM NOT SHITTING ON EMEA I AM TRYING TO HAVE PURPOSEFUL DISCUSSION.
It feels like emea rarely tries to innovate in maps except for like fut and navi. Even the fnatic lotus comp feels archaic do we know why its like this or is it just different meta due to different playstyles.
Maybe americas is just spoiled because of EG Loud and c9 making different comps all the time.
NRG made good bind comp
EG made good fracture comp
Yah the only true meta comps that have been made are louds on split and pearl but that is still Americas, still my point.
Also that is just this season, optic made many variations of chamber comp last season that were meta.
What new meta comps has EMEA produced? Until EG (The objectively most antistrat centered team) picks up a comp from an EMEA team I’m not convinced that EMEA has produced anything of value. When they pick up a comp that’s when you know it’s truly meta
if you count the number of mirror comps in both regions, emea is going to have way less than NA, and no its not just cypher over kj, the fact you are even considering that emea has less comp innovation is a little wierd and kinda makes me wonder how much valorant from both regions you watch, just watch pearl and split on AMERICAS
You definitely used to see teams try new things moreso than emea in americas in the early season. Furia ran chamber on split, double flash on pearl. 100t tried single controller on lotus, viper over kj on ascent. Sen tried the challengers comp over viper harbor. We saw a lot of different split comps before double duelist set. Loud tried a chamber on bind, double controller neon on fracture. EG tried gekko harbor astra on pearl, sova on fracture. C9 tried pheonix sage astra on pearl, they tried breach skye on ascent and viper skye on ascent too. But yeah theres no attempt at innovation in americas.
it takes 2 minutes to go to both emea and americas split to see that the usage percentage of agents in emea is way more spread out in americas, and go at playoffs, every time teams played pearl it was a mirror comp, everytime people played split it was a mirror comp, everytime people played ascend it was sova, kayo killjoy, jett, omen, 7 out of 8 comp that much copying would not happend in emea, ever since loud started playing viper harbor everyone in americas did it even if they did not know how to play it to its full potencial
im not saying there is no innovation but comparing to emea there is way less.
I think we have two different definitions of innovation. Setting a meta vs just trying a lot of random comps. Me and Cresp see inovation as making a comp that is so dominatig that other teams switch, which is why we see a lot of mirrors. There was no meta innovation in emea, hence we see a lot of different comps
i mean then the only team innovating is the team that did it first, the rest of the region is just copying, i don't think copy pasting the best team comps is innovation in my opinion.
and its kinda strange saying random comps, its not like emea just spins a wheel to find out their next comp,
to me creating your own stuff and going for you own playstlye that suits your team best, instead of going for meta comps just cause, is innovation.
I get you. without loud we would be in a similair spot to emea this season definitely. And yeah saying random was j an exaggeration.
Regardless i am excited to see if a defined meta (americas) or more team preference comps (emea) will do better internationally, I understand that the comps that each team runs are the comps they think are the best
In what way? Pearl is like the only map where you can make that argument. Just because EMEA teams dont play Harbor as much doesnt mean they are behind in terms of comps. Example Fnatic owned Icebox by playing the most basic comp ever. Also Americas teams always copy LOUD while EMEA teams dont copy Fnatic as much.
fnatic are the meta definers. everyone takes inspiration from their comps and then makes their owns. so you cant say they are boring etc etc, because they make these new comps on new maps and dont change until they need to(until they lose). harbor viper is something which fnatic and emea didnt adopt. and it definitely isnt like the most broken like chamber meta, you can use harbor viper if you want , and you can avoid it if you dont want. if you think having stability and not changing comps often is being behind in meta, then you are thinking about it the wrong way. what navi and prx do is not innovation, thats straight up trolling.
if you are talking about lotus , even in the starting weeks giants started testing on loyus with gekko and fut also play gekko at Haven. Plus FUT played neon at lock in on louts which c9 copied later. Ascent is like the map where you can try anything but still won't beat that shit meta. Split is questionable as many teams choose double duelist and some don't.
i dont think emea is behind in comps on any maps other than pearl. split double duelist has its weaknesses its a good comp but double sentinel or double initiator cypher comp are great comps aswell. americas dont play omen on split even though his flash is very strong and can easily stop double dive.
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