Liquid replace Bren?

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Why they should be the team to replace them:

Lost to #1 in EMEA in close game
Literally 10ft from their home
ScreaM vs Tenz

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unfair to the other EMEA teams tho, if they get circuit points they qualify for champions, if not then they can still knock the others out and ''steal'' their points. riot would never do this, i would find it incredibly hype tho

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Unfair? G2, the #4 seed basically got handed free points in that group to make it to top8. Same with nV 3# seed. Let"s not even talk about group A and B..

I want to see the most teams possible compete on these few hyped LANs we have in a year, so I want a team to fill in.

They also were 1 round away from getting qualifying to champions vs #1 team in EMEA, so it def would be more unfair to let other team get the spot. + They can just make
it so that TL have to reach top8 to start earning points or something.

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actually its not that far from reality. g2 and f4q both have to win master to get a spot, meaning they have to be best out of their group aswell (statistically) and sen is already qualified. but liquid should not be allowed to gain points, besides if they win they should get the spot

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Full Sense to Berlin

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yeah but it makes No sense to replace a SEA team with an EMEA Team

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It does make sense cuz teams from faraway seems to have to quarantene themselves 5 days when they enter the country in EU AND the tourney starts 10.sep.

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No

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The disrespect to SEA is wtf is this??? First and for most, we hope that BREN will make it to Berlin. The boys worked hard for that spot, they deserve to be in the LAN. Can y`all tweet this hashtag to boost their influence and hope to make it. #BringBRENtoBerlin

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The hashtag wont do anything, its the goverment not some indie company like rito games
U can just hope. It suscks especially since bren had upset potential and one win would most likely make them go to champions

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Fire737

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Dude German govt won’t change their visa policies for a video game tourney
No disrespect to any region .

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bren is from sea so i think a team from sea will be better to replace them just to keep the regions balance or keep the formats still or whatever you call it.

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Ideally yes but #8

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Well I don't think that any other sea team will able to get visa In such a short time

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NA/EU fans are so annoying, as if only their region matters, if Bren can't go to Berlin then another SEA rep should go, possibly SEED 3 or even Masters should run with 15 teams for Seed 3 dont overtake Bren with VCT points. The world does not revolve around NA/EU, stop disrespecting other regions.

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Fire737

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Facts

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Another Noyn W

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Kora

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More people should read this

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Nice brain. #12 then #8. Do you know math? Are you implying like some other few people with little braincells here, that a SEA team have enough time to apply and wait for VISA and have time to travel and quarantene 5 days to then be ready for Sep.10th?

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This is wrong because if a regional representative can’t make it ,the slot going to another region is unfair
Let’s say champions is in Los Angeles and a eu team couldn’t make it
So should the eu slot go to tsm /faze or any na team because they live close to LA ?

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no since champions is the main event, masters is basically a qualifier. alsot there is much more time to find a replacement for masters, since 12 teams are known from spetmeber + 4 after october 16th or something.

the group liquid would go in has sentinels, wich qualified and g2 + f4q. both those teams have to win the whole thing to get to cahmpions and both are guaranteed to go to LCQ. this basically means if they cant beat liquid they wont win the tournament. just make it so liquid doesnt get points unless they win the whole thing.

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Riot won’t do it 100%.

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most likely not yeah, but would be cool

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You completely missed the point. Its not about who lives close. Its about who can realistically attend. If Bren can't make it that means that no other SEA team can take their spot, because they simply don't have enough time to get their visas and quarantine. And in this case where Masters are happening in a week the possibility of any other region taking that spot outside of EU is really small because of the time window. EU teams are in EU, so they don't need visas or quarantine for long. Teams don't just teleport to tournaments. There's bunch of stuff happening behind the scenes especially now with covid.

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That is a SEA slot, if they cannot make it, then the group will only consist of 3 teams.

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Most likely. Just explained why some people are talking about EU teams and why its impossible for another SEA team to take their spot.

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PrTsty

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its about liquid being in netherlands, meaning they dont have to go thru quarantine most likely

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No. Please don't lump all NA/EU fans in the same bucket as the few retards suggesting an EMEA or NA team should replace an SEA teams spot.

The idea is assinine and if anyone needs an explanation as to why it's a bad idea, they aren't worth talking to.

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Noyn

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Sorry my friend

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All good my friend

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Maybe its going to be like GAM esports from Vietnam back at msi 2021 where they couldn't come to Iceland because of travel restriction thus making their group only consist of 3 teams instead of 4 teams.

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Another team from SEA will also apply for a visa, which will take time + 5 days quarantine. So I think mp only 2 scenarios possible:
1) Bren gets their visa approve and reach Berlin within 2 days
2) Their slots goes empty

PS: imo Instead of slots going empty, 1 team should be invited :(

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Kora

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Ofc no. No sense to do this.

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No way this happens

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Only Liquid/TSM fans can say bullshit like this lmao

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PrTsty

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actually its not that far from reality. g2 and f4q both have to win master to get a spot, meaning they have to be best out of their group aswell (statistically) and sen is already qualified. but liquid should not be allowed to gain points, besides if they win they should get the spot.

it would be much better than having bren ff both games, any other region is basically impossible because of quarantine, liquid is in netherlands, I think they dont even need quarantine

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PrTsty

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why downvote, it would be the only team possible to replace bren

riot most likely wouldnt do it but if they wanna have 16 teams liquid is literally the only option, all the other teams have no time because of quarantine

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Ive seen your explanation multiple time throughout this thread and think its very logical. Would stop trying to explain yourself tho since people cant think logically when they're upset or closed minded. Your idea of Liguid getting no VCT points and only gets the benefit of champions if they win the whole tournament (which if that happens, is deserved) is very fair. People get caught up to much in prejudice that they think all decisions are due to that. In reality, like you said, it comes down to filling the spot (if thats what Riot wants to do). Obvi if Bren cant make it no SEA team will be able to, especially now with the short notice they'd have. Obvi, if Bren end up not making it, Riot should check with other SEA teams first just to clarify that no teams would be able to make it. Like you said, Liquid is close and were 1 round away from making it. If they want to fill the spot, Liquid would be a fair choice.

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People only read one sentence and cant comprehend the rest. They dont get that it would be perfectly fitting + we would get crazy good games and most likely one more emea vs na game. Its by far better than having bye rounds. I think riot should consider putting liquid in there but also think about if its fair competitive integrity wise. For the fans it shouldnt be a big deal aslong as they dont circuit points and therefore qualifying over other emea teams

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Exactly. If Riot decides to fill the slot, this would be a good option. I'm sure they would look further into the competitive integrity, but the way you broke it down, it seems pretty fair. Cuz if Bren can't make it that ultimately leads to two ffs, which isn't ideal. They could even do Liquid vs Giants to determine, assuming both teams could make it to Berlin. I'm not sure how visas work within EU. If I had to guess, Riot will most likely leave the slot empty, but am hoping Bren make it and if not that they fill the spot.

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U dont need visas form an EU country to an EU country. Aslong as its in the european union or switzerland/great britain(not sure bout this one since brexit, think they should be fine tho, besides maybe quarantine)

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Liquid fan here, and I do not support this bullshit haha

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Hey guys! I think since Bren might not be included in Berlin due to visa issues, I think we should bring in GUILD as a replacement, people like bonkar work very hard to be as good as they are now, please give them a chance.

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Every team works hard to qualify , not only that one team . so saying that they work hard doesnt justify anything

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It was sarcasm u monkey (not racially motivated)

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I think people don't get sarcasm, so don't try.

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and give EMEA 5 spots? naah

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And still have one group with no EMEA teams OMEGALUL

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yungbasel

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OP is off his meds. Bad idea

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It is unfair if you give all benefits to Liquid
HOWEVER, If all points that Liquid get from the tournament goes to Bren. That's okay.
And even if Liquid winning, the Champions slot should go to Bren.

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XD I am a liquid fan and I support this.

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Noyn

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If Riot happened to allow Liquid to participate, the least unfair would be if Liquid gained 0 points with the tournament regardless of placement and only played for the title and prize.

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Yes that's literally what I said, and prize only money no champions slot if they win berlin.
All points and related goes to bren or no one.

#43

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This is the dumbest post I've seen in this website.

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yungbasel

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100% agree. They really want 5 EMEA reps. And forget about competitive integrity of the whole circuit. Facepalm

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Nope. They don't deserve to be in Berlin. have to work on a lot of things.

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PrTsty

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Just dont give them circuit points. Having a bye would be unlucky, also f4q and g2 would have to win masters to qualify, so they would have to get past liquid anyways.

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Bro wtf are you smoking lol

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Forget the explanation. A team that did not qualify for the event in the first place, should not be able to come in a and have wa shot at winning the whole competition or at the very least, knock out others who did qualify.

I wanted liquid to be there as much as any liquid fan, believe me. But this has zero competitive integrity. It's not about them Messing up the group or anything like that.

Riot will probably do a bye, and that's that. The tournament goes on without them fucking it up by having top EMEA team overcompeting for the region.

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No, it should be TSM, C9 or XSET

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sounds cool, but sadge

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Plz no, either other sea team or 3 teams in their group.

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stop making everything about Liquid lol

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good thing you hide your flag lmao, whoever in the same country should be ashamed of how dumb u are.

A team can't make it? Let's just pick my favourite team and put them there KEKW

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If a European Team like Liquid would get their Slot, it would look like Riot knew this will happen and they will make one more EU Team compete in this Tournament as a gift to Europe. I don't think that will happen. Maybe Bren can try to enter another EU Country and play their Matches Online with a good Ping. I mean it sounds stupid of course but that would be one way to resolve this problem. Riot Games should have known EU has stupid Corona Policy. Also the Bren Management should knew this much earlier. Have they just tried to buy Tickets for Germany and got rejected?