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Revlo

Why are people refusing to accept this fact?

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nvm i read that wrong

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Revlo

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Derke fell off

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iMyw_

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i edited srry

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nutab1e

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he was never good to begin with. Just overhyped by frogs on this forum

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TheNerfBoy

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yes

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babysasuke

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20 Lnatic fans downfragging this post doesnt make it not true + vouch

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DELUSIONAL_KILES_FAN

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Babysasuke detected
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valulrantefanboy

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kind of true, Yay 1 Master, Derke choke every Master

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W + I wuv you :3

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HackNaija

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-yay +Crunchy

OPTIC won champs

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TheZhuologist

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based take dont know why people are downvoting

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Just like you refuse to accept EU > NA, some people refuse to accept Yay > Derke

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6vine

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WWWWWWW

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versa_

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Yeah I mean yay literally said it himself; the T2 scene in EU is pretty crazy along with the rest of the teams

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Optic is good with EU, rest of NA is dog shit

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derke will have his time to shine

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no_noise_979

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he already did shine to be fair, mfs just got insane recency bias

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keener1600

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hes had a year to shine and he keeps fumbling

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no_noise_979

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/449/valorant-champions-2021

now stfu you bot

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SilentNight

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dude's literally digging on last year's event lololol

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no_noise_979

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i mean theres so few events

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I mean he isnt incorrect as that's from the champs but if you love numbers then here's one more for you:

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1014/valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen

I'd guess if you gave Derke 100+ rounds to equal Yay's round count, they'd still be in the same places to eachother, or Derke would be higher because he'd done it before, as in the champions one above... Both are fine in my opinion, but the margin speaks for itself... Just my two cents...

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1014/valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen?exclude=12560.12561.12562.12563.12564.12565.12566.12567&min_rounds=0&agent=all

Yay Playoff > Derke Playoff, Lets not mention Derke Stats are padded against an FPX with a sub.

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But someone would say, "Derke is edging out Yay on Chamber": https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1014/valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen?exclude=12560.12561.12562.12563.12564.12565.12566.12567&min_rounds=0&agent=chamber ... and they'd be correct ... by a small margin but still...

^^^That is, of course, if we said in approximate terms and ignored the difference of rounds played (-80) between the two. However, up until somewhere over a 1k+ rounds were played (more=better ofc), neither Yay's, nor the total rounds played by any other masters contestants, would give us a reliable sample for any thorough head to head rating.

Time period glimpses such as short/instant masters events in general will always remain just glimpses - should be viewed as a possible periods of assessment for teams/players ... Perhaps a lengthier, season like league environment would bring us closer to accurately ranking any players in question, given that both compete there against each other as well as the same opponents. Up untill then, things will always remain ambigous, especially when ranking up players that statistically perform close to each other throughout different occasions - our time period here.

P.S. I can't say much about Derke against. FPX with the sub other than Derke's ability to perform well and SEIDER's reasonably solid form vs. Derke in duels: https://www.vlr.gg/112321/fnatic-vs-funplus-phoenix-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-ubqf/?game=all&tab=performance - PERFORMANCE TAB!

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very true, derke is yet to turn up when it matters at lan ngl

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HaSanity

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not his fault. why are people so quick to blame star players??

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imagine only play 1 agent and saying he was the best player in the world lul

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deluxton

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Clearly you never saw him on the Jett

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Revlo

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He can play any agent, He just doesn't have to, you're a clown.

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babysasuke

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Only delusionaL SHITMEA fanboys ever thought anything else

yay is the best player in the world

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Shigeo

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silver detected
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FoechiGG

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Leo owns yay

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egg80085

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one has to play in lcq to reach champions, one is already there, not to mention a trophy as well

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rtg9000

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i mean i agree yay probably adds more to his team then leo does (though i think leo is more unreplaceable)

but what the team as a whole has achieved is a pretty poor argument when comparing individuals
one had to play with russ one didn't

(i love russ but let's be honest he's the weakest link in that guild roster)

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FoechiGG

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https://www.vlr.gg/112282/optic-gaming-vs-guild-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-opening-a

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egg80085

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this is probalby yay's worst performance this year if not of all his career, at the end guild placed 8th and optic came 3rd

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clocksky888

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I know you're talking about OPTIC as a team and not only Yay's sole effort here... Just trying to emphasize Optic's team effort in general that lead them towards their final placement.

Though #29 FoechiGG's response to Leo vs Optic holds some truth. From their first clash, Leo dominated all Optic players across all duels except Marved, who he failed to outkill by one frag to equalise their score throughout all duels.

https://www.vlr.gg/112282/optic-gaming-vs-guild-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-opening-a/?game=all&tab=performance in PERFORMANCE TAB

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Shownu

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Derke plays a better Jett and Raze than yay who one tricks Chamber every map while victor plays the entries.

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Deadpoool

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yay is better than him but derke also plays raze so he's more versatile

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rtg9000

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in the chamber meta yeah true
yay is probably the best chamber

in the jett meta it was pretty debatable tbh

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Tanzim

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i mean im not refusing it, yay is better indeed

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hekzy

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Fnatic > optic btw

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HaSanity

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https://imgur.com/a/Zafn2Tq

why do you even bother btw?

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Revlo

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1014/valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen?exclude=12560.12561.12562.12563.12564.12565.12566.12567&min_rounds=0&agent=all\

COPE

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1014/valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen?exclude=12569&min_rounds=0&agent=all

COPE MALD SEETHE

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LMAO what is this comparison??? I only did playoff comparison because Derke only played in playoffs. You cross of upper semifinals for some random reason? Hop off his tip you dumbass clown.

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KadikaSkirata

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ardiss better than both

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jawn

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TenZ > both of them BatChest

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