Actual GC question

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poopboyofficial

What is the standard for trans players in game changers, what do they need to prove it, like if the whole optic squad stated they were trans m to f then what is anyone going to do about it?
This isnt meant to be malicious to anybody just a question

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if u are she/her or they/them or a trans woman LEGALLY, then you can play in game changers

so technically yes, if optc all LEGALLY were able to change their genders, they would be able to play in gc

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there is no legality involved in gc

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Ultimate6989

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Is there not? sorry my bad then

I remember ex tsm member zoe had some controversy because she was not able to provide paperwork or smth

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Game Changers isn't just for women, its for all marginalized genders
https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/vct-game-changers/

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bhahahah,so you can literally go play there even if you're a male?

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i do not think you get the point

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asdfgh

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wtf is a marginalized gender other than women in this context

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1wnb

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nb, woman, genderfluid afaik

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so in a more simple form,you can play in a women's league if you have a dick hanging between your legs and balls that produce testosterone,or do you need to prove you have officially "transformed" with estrogen treatment etc,saying your "gender fluid" doesnt change anything why is the league made in the first place i tought its because women needed a stable league with support to develop their scene

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Mjtchell

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What is your obsession with dicks?

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asdfgh

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someones mad

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about what
its not a womens league btw

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asdfgh

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so whats the point of it,and clearly you are when you try some cringe what is your "obsession" with dicks comeback because i said dick once lmao,hopefully the scene doesnt get male players who just take advantage of the fact you can play there as a male thats my point

continue thread →

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1wnb

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please tell me what genitalia has to do with valorant

also @mods

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asdfgh

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maybe the fact there seems to be a clear skill difference between womens and mens valorant and sports in general thats why the wnba and these womens exclusive leagues were made to my understanding,so how does letting males compete there help to develop the womens scene and bring up female players,pls stop crying for mods and answer my question

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Valorant fanbase is young and very tolerant towards all these annoying 3rd gender minorities

You won't prove anything to them, they have different vision on this question, completely different

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asdfgh

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yes i can see,when debating about this its literally just a whole lot of them trying to sound smart while saying absolutely nothing of value or give a actual counter argument and reasoning for their points,and when they run out of nonsense to talk they just start labeling and attacking you lmao

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Ultimate6989

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You need to be complexitys coach

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poopboyofficial

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so u can say like non binary an thats that u able to play?

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yes

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That's the flaw in GC,

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Flamephoenix

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yeah i always thought about this, would people even be allowed to backlash without "discriminating". A team eliminated for the year like C9B or V1 could probably just "change" their gender, and not really have to prove it and then make a quick 50K through game changers no?

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JSR

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C9 is qualed in the lcq

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asdfgh

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exactly its so dumb,if you dont care about your reputation just go there and if your a top 20 team in NA ur like a top 3 team and can just farm them

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My guess is that for trans players, they have to show/have a doctor showing how far they are in their transition. Probably won’t have anyone playing who is in their first year of transitioning (as they usually they have yet to start taking hormones and that becomes a grey area they probably won’t touch). But if they did start taking hormones, then having a doctor confirm for how long they have been taking hormones and the dosage amount is what they would go off of.

I say this because even a small amount can have major effects on the body. For instance there are woman who have naturally high amounts of testosterone that exceed the legal levels for Olympic play. And if they were to take estrogen to then lower their levels, the IOC would allow them to compete. But the few woman who do have naturally high levels have refused this (and thus deciding not to compete), as it negatively affects what’s already there (muscles and reaction speed, which can be built back upon but sets you back months if not years of training)

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nah all they have to do is say they are trans. scourge, bob, florescent

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poopboyofficial

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thats the problem with an inclusive legue like this, gc should just be for women imo, everyone else has to play in the normal circut, no exeptions. that was the point after all, right? an increase of repersentaion for women in esports

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Hieratic

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I mean, didn’t males play in gc emea? It isn’t exclusively females that play in it in the first place

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Hieratic

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That’s why they need to get approval by a doctor, as there are records dating when they started transitioning and when they started hormones

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This is starting to border on the “trans women in college sports” argument. If y’all want to actually learn something, maybe just read up on that instead cause you’re not going to get very far talking about something this niche. There are also plenty of other cases outside of Valorant where something is meant for a particular group of people but there isn’t really a way to prove that you belong to that group. I mean what are they going to do, make you take a DNA test and trace your ancestry to make sure you’re Hispanic or something? There will always be some level of honor on the part of the people participating, and anyone who thinks that players will just lie about their status for something like this is super disconnected from reality.

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I mean transitioning can be traced as you need to be approved to start transitioning, and after (x) amount of time you then get approval from a psychologist and bring it to a doctor who then approves the use of hormones. So because there would be medical records, it can be traced/proven. (As you have 3 points of records: psychologist, doctor, and where you pick up/pay for the hormones e.g. CVS, Walgreens, etc) And I agree with you, their will always be a player here or there who tries to lie their way through, but you likely won’t see a scenario where the an entire team is lying on their status.