Shahzam refers to TSM as, "Not a T1 team"

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I don't think he's wrong, they haven't qualified for anything in 2021

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hes not wrong lol i think they are high tier 2
they will probably be tier 1 again if they qualify for challenger playoffs

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Tart

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Who do they kick off the roster now though

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Crayzid

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i would give them little more time to improve then if it doesnt work out then idk

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Garry

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aren't they out of playoffs?

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Crayzid

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theres still one last chance in 22

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I know this is probably right since he even says that C9B is the most overrated team because they still achieve nothing
But can I get the sauce please,

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Tart

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C9B isn't bad its just that V1 stepped it up and took their Iceland spot. Now everyone loves V1

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C9 has been really good since they reworked their team

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mAko

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c9b would have been the team that went to iceland if they didn't choke

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You know he's just a hater when C9 actually was 1 step away from qualifying to Iceland from not even getting out of open qualifiers.
If that's not "achieving" anything then idk what is

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Tart

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Well his team is the only team in the world to win 2 masters so he can essentially say they haven't "achieved" anything because Shahzam is at the top rn

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AceGX

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thats not how it works

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anothervlruser

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you know achieving is winning rit? sure they have potential but they haven't shown they can win an event

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AceGX

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If I remember correctly Shaz said "People saying C9 has potential when they haven't won anything yet"
having potential doesn't mean a team would just win a huge tourney ,it means a team has shown good improvement and might become a good one with time and C9 lived upto that.
That just makes Shaz wrong

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He said on the basis of world Power rankings plat chat released which shows c9 in top 10 and it is not true

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AceGX

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What would be your top 10 ?

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have u seen C9 play? that is the point here man. C9 showed incredible improvements yeah that's pretty obvious. did u see the comments below which said they have the best team in the world potential? THAT IS OVERRATING THEM!!

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I would probably put G2 or X10 or DWK and slide them down to 12-13. If you want a NA replacement probably would choose 100T over C9

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atmajitxD

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then according to shahz logic man utd is overrated coz they didn't win any trophy recently and they came 2nd everywhere sadge

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ChowChow

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Ask that to shahz, don't try to bait me.
Here's sauce for you : https://youtu.be/ciLo-EfYcbc

But yeah, MU is overrated cause I hate them. Arsenal better.

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anothervlruser

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"recently: as if they have won bfore

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Gomes255

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source: trust me bro

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Crayzid

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he said on stream, his last deathmatch game

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sm0ke3

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yea, but you have to link the clip, otherwise its not really believable

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no1xetafan

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TBH is TSM a joke or something they get an astra player just for him to play Raze and keep wasting subroza on an omen.

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Sova_Viper_Breach_Cypher

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tsm is almost tier 3... losing to noble is so sad...

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It doesnt feel right to put them in the same tier as teams like Soniqs and Renegades who all haven't done anything as teams. TSM has a talented roster and have shown results in the past, while they clearly are playing bad right now it doesn't feel right to group them with those teams.

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"Has a talented roster" Which was successful when others were clueless about game. It's like middle school dropout compared to illiterates, but when everyone eventually figured it out they became College Passouts whereas TSM remained Middle School Dropout. I hope this explains it all. :-)

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Nah ur completely wrong about that one i dislike TSM very much but u acting like TSM got the game before others lmao they got the game at the same time everyone did and have won a lot but they are shite as of now

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TSM i liked u cuzz of the healthy rivalry between u and us but u will be a shit t3 team until u nuke the whole roster ...the 5 u have in ur roster play for show and have too much ego and are not hard working being the highest paid
EG:- DRONE man is in TSM and highly paid and doesn't know 100s of lineups even pug sova mains will know more
WARDELL man has played only JETT for Tsm since beta smh

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Hes not wrong lol

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Shanty

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I think TSM is a team that right now is tier 2, can’t really argue against it. But of the tier 2 teams, it’s the one team that all of a sudden starts playing like Top 3 NA it would make sense.

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TSM Tier 3 team