ShahZam

I know there are countless threads on this topic already but this one is for discussing solutions not problem. I was looking at sen vs akrew match summary and its obvious and shaz is a key problem if not THE problem. He is continuously bottom fragging and also he sucks as an igl (atleast now). The way i see it there are 2 or 3 ways to address the immediate problem :

1. bring sinatraa in for shaz as he can definitely play sova better than him
   2.bring sinatraa in for kanpeki and force shaz to play chamber/skye
2. let knpeki play sova and let shaz play chamber(atleast he is a good awper)

stop with the SEN threads........

one of the worst takes i’ve seen on this site

RickyIndian [#3]

one of the worst takes i’ve seen on this site

what's the problem dude? u think shaz is good on sova?

Igl modcheck

STOP MAKING YOURSELF WET WITH THESE SEN THEORIES ! THEY WONT DO ANYTHING BRO, THEY ARE JUST GONNA WATCH THEIR ROSTER DIE A SLOW AND PAINFUL DEATH

bad take

LMFAO imagine complaining about bad igl-ing then make a braindead take that literally removes the igl without even replacing him. Nice

shahz doesnt want to play chamber. Also wtf is this skye take. Sahz is the worst skye NA.

Valhalla23140 [#4]

what's the problem dude? u think shaz is good on sova?

u think shahz is good on skye? U think shahz is good??????????

sometimes people on this site care about sentinels more than sentinels themself, so ironic

why do people still think sinatraa is some god when he was mid before the controversy anyway

I think both zombs and shaz were partially right. Shaz needs to cut back on streaming to help flesh out strats with the coaching staff, zombs probably should've played ranked more because it keeps your mechanics sharp and prepares you to react to unexpected situations in matches.

little info, shahz has already came out and said he didn't like Chamber. I mean, some other teams with flex players and whatnot taking that role for op'ing, it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me why shahz doesn't like him, and with fade eventually entering the pool I have no idea what would happen with their comps if they manage to qual.

Worst take today

what about sinatra ? is he ever comeback as prof. player seen ?

solution: -Shahzam +literally anyone with 2 hands

Valhalla23140 [#4]

what's the problem dude? u think shaz is good on sova?

1. there needs to be an igl
2. shaz has looked shit on skye and he said he doesn't like chamber
3. kanpeki has never played sova before and you're changing roles AGAIN within this team
4. kanpeki's awping wasn't too bad, but that wasn't the problem with SEN's gameplay

LOLOLXD [#12]

why do people still think sinatraa is some god when he was mid before the controversy anyway

he was top 3 in north america before the controversy. look at his stats, he averages 243 acs between sova, phoenix, raze, and reyna. (jett doesn't really count since he only played that on one map.)

RickyIndian [#19]

he was top 3 in north america before the controversy. look at his stats, he averages 243 acs between sova, phoenix, raze, and reyna. (jett doesn't really count since he only played that on one map.)

can't really compare past stats (phoenix LOLOL) to now games totally different

LOLOLXD [#20]

can't really compare past stats (phoenix LOLOL) to now games totally different

you said he was mid before the controversy and i gave you his stats before the controversy which proved he wasn't mid.
yet you're saying that these stats don't matter because they were before the controversy.

vlr moment.

RickyIndian [#21]

you said he was mid before the controversy and i gave you his stats before the controversy which proved he wasn't mid.
yet you're saying that these stats don't matter because they were before the controversy.

vlr moment.

the stats are mid, decent acs but apart from that eh nothing special..

add siNaTRaA all good

Shahzam has always done fine it’s just he’s had a rough series these past 2-3 games. The pressure and the hate is definitely getting to him you can see it so easily.

LOLOLXD [#22]

the stats are mid, decent acs but apart from that eh nothing special..

you didn't even read what i said above proving that you're a dumbass

plus he isn't a primary duelist that his team is setting up to get all the kills and he's STILL getting around 250 acs on 4 different agents which is really good.

RickyIndian [#25]

you didn't even read what i said above proving that you're a dumbass

plus he isn't a primary duelist that his team is setting up to get all the kills and he's STILL getting around 250 acs on 4 different agents which is really good.

avg sinatraa fan cant accept the fact that he wasnt an insane player before and isnt a direct upgrade to anyone on that team, each of the players have nearly same (or more) acs on their main agents with 2/3x the rounds played

LOLOLXD [#26]

avg sinatraa fan cant accept the fact that he wasnt an insane player before and isnt a direct upgrade to anyone on that team, each of the players have nearly same (or more) acs on their main agents with 2/3x the rounds played

1. im not even a sinatraa fan
2. i never said he should be on the team (would be a downgrade in this scenario)
3. obviously you're going to have a higher acs with less rounds played? https://www.vlr.gg/player/26632/joliinaa she has almost 500 acs with only 65 rounds played.

RickyIndian [#18]

1. there needs to be an igl
2. shaz has looked shit on skye and he said he doesn't like chamber
3. kanpeki has never played sova before and you're changing roles AGAIN within this team
4. kanpeki's awping wasn't too bad, but that wasn't the problem with SEN's gameplay

Bruh almost all your arguments are already addressed in my post(not explicitly)

1. Shaz is a shit igl now so i am assuming 1 of the other 5 can manage (for short term)
2. wdym doesn't like? i know he said that but so what ? there are igls who play even neon it may take some adjusting but whats the harm in trying
3. So whats your solution ? to not change roles "AGAIN" and let shaz remain in his comfort role?
4. This I can agree but I never said that kanpeki was bad awper ,I said that shaz was performing really bad and if he's a good awper why not use his strengths for the better. He was actually in single digit kills in one of the maps. Are you sure kanpeki can't do better than that on sova?ofc there are many other important problems but the shaz problem is definitely imp.

Cresp [#10]

u think shahz is good on skye? U think shahz is good??????????

Lol bruh I am surprised thats the only point u got from my post. If you are referring to my 2nd point I implicitly assumed that if Sinatraa comes in Shaz has to play skye OR chamber. I never meant that shaz is good on syke or something. But I can definitely tell u that he is a shit sova right now. and to answer your 2nd part no idt Shaz is good but I find it highly unlikely that he will be replaced. Even in today's stream he was talking to Rawkus as if he recruited him. What a shitty attitude

Matrix13e [#2]

stop with the SEN threads........

upvote

LOLOLXD [#12]

why do people still think sinatraa is some god when he was mid before the controversy anyway

Everyone had him as a top 3 and at worst top 5 player in NA prior to the controversy. He was definitely not 'mid'.

Valhalla23140 [#28]

Bruh almost all your arguments are already addressed in my post(not explicitly)

1. Shaz is a shit igl now so i am assuming 1 of the other 5 can manage (for short term)
2. wdym doesn't like? i know he said that but so what ? there are igls who play even neon it may take some adjusting but whats the harm in trying
3. So whats your solution ? to not change roles "AGAIN" and let shaz remain in his comfort role?
4. This I can agree but I never said that kanpeki was bad awper ,I said that shaz was performing really bad and if he's a good awper why not use his strengths for the better. He was actually in single digit kills in one of the maps. Are you sure kanpeki can't do better than that on sova?ofc there are many other important problems but the shaz problem is definitely imp.

it's not a player problem for sentinels. they just don't understand what makes good teams win. don't know how long it'll take people to realize that.

people also don't understand what makes an igl good. they only think that the simple comps and little set plays are what makes an igl good. they don't understand that a real leader in game is keeping the team's mental in check, reading the other opponent, calling what each player should do and what the team should do as a whole. and shaz is still on of the best igls in NA considering these aspects. even bonecold with acend was running wack comps, but his igling and their plays off of each other were so good that it didn't matter.

the main issue with sentinels is that mainly on their defensive side, they look lost and they cant flow from one defensive setup to another setup mainly because they don't have any defensive setups. but their attack rounds are still fairly good because of how shaz is calling and how they are setting up tenz.

Valhalla23140 [#29]

Lol bruh I am surprised thats the only point u got from my post. If you are referring to my 2nd point I implicitly assumed that if Sinatraa comes in Shaz has to play skye OR chamber. I never meant that shaz is good on syke or something. But I can definitely tell u that he is a shit sova right now. and to answer your 2nd part no idt Shaz is good but I find it highly unlikely that he will be replaced. Even in today's stream he was talking to Rawkus as if he recruited him. What a shitty attitude

wow, you're equally as dumb as the rest of the users but you seem to take yourself seriously.
you failed to mention at all who would IGL, therefore we can only assume you want Shahz to stay as the IGL. In that case, Shahz has clearly addressed why he doesn't play chamber, and we have seen how poor his skye is.

or bring sinatraa in? who hasn't competed in 1y +
hope somebody else is a good IGL...literally none of them.
magically that solves the issue.

congratulations, you have brought me to the point where I am not going to open another SEN thread because they have such little insight or value.

Amok [#33]

wow, you're equally as dumb as the rest of the users but you seem to take yourself seriously.
you failed to mention at all who would IGL, therefore we can only assume you want Shahz to stay as the IGL. In that case, Shahz has clearly addressed why he doesn't play chamber, and we have seen how poor his skye is.

or bring sinatraa in? who hasn't competed in 1y +
hope somebody else is a good IGL...literally none of them.
magically that solves the issue.

congratulations, you have brought me to the point where I am not going to open another SEN thread because they have such little insight or value.

Honestly i can see dapr igling, but it would take a while before he gets good at it.

Amok [#33]

wow, you're equally as dumb as the rest of the users but you seem to take yourself seriously.
you failed to mention at all who would IGL, therefore we can only assume you want Shahz to stay as the IGL. In that case, Shahz has clearly addressed why he doesn't play chamber, and we have seen how poor his skye is.

or bring sinatraa in? who hasn't competed in 1y +
hope somebody else is a good IGL...literally none of them.
magically that solves the issue.

congratulations, you have brought me to the point where I am not going to open another SEN thread because they have such little insight or value.

Bruh are you high or something? or are u just a hater cuz i didn't see anything logical in your comment. Why are u assuming shaz to stay IGL when i clearly mentioned in my 1st point that they can bring sinatraa in for shaz. That means Shaz is out of the team if it was not clear enough. And regarding chamber i know he addressed it but tell me what do u want him to play. If not chamber he can only play jett or sova no? and clearly both of them are worse options given recent results. Jett is bad because tenz is jett 1 trick and he's carrying them right now.
Regarding sinatraa I don't like his personality but I do like his play style/overall gameplay (whatever that means) and I can guarantee you he's >>>>>>>>>> sova than any other sen player so bringing him and putting shaz on chamber/skye (in case he's not out) should bring net positive value imo. And they don't play skye in all maps anyway so its not like shaz will always be on skye.
I understand that IGLing is the biggest problem in replacing shaz but again whats the harm in trying for 2,3 matches they are not executing some insane strats anyway. Just bench him and put sick on igl duty at least better than keeping shaz on sova with single digit kills

RickyIndian [#19]

he was top 3 in north america before the controversy. look at his stats, he averages 243 acs between sova, phoenix, raze, and reyna. (jett doesn't really count since he only played that on one map.)

he really wasn't. people overhype him bc of what happened to him.