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Is tenz worth what SEN paid for him?
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-seriouspotato- [#4]bro tenz is carrying them rn lmao
not saying his a bad player, but i don't think he's worth that million or whatever they paid for him
Rexx [#7]not saying his a bad player, but i don't think he's worth that million or whatever they paid for him
but he makes it back through his fame and partnerships... The only negative I see about the deal is that it inflated the NA market a lot, especially for sentinels, if the rumors about the coaches buyouts are true
Hide123 [#9]If they manage to keep him long-term yes, if he ends up leaving within the next year then no. The sheer amount of fan support and viewers he brings to the Sentinels brand is great for the org but it will take a while for them to actually make a profit off him.
If he ends up leaving then I guess the question would be for how much, I can very well imagine him being more valuable now as an asset than last year, so they might even make a return on their investment just on the transaction price. But then again, I don't think any org could by tenz right now anyways
Brokendreams [#13]Are people that much deranged? What special performance is he putting up now to justify the price tag? By the fanboy's logic, every star duelist of every decent team should have a buyout of at least 1 million usd.
Yeah he’s expensive, that’s the entire reason the team should’ve been built around him. But at the same time he’s probably brought in or will eventually bring in much more revenue than his buyout just from merch/stream revenue/YouTube etc etc. So it’s worth either way.
Brokendreams [#13]Are people that much deranged? What special performance is he putting up now to justify the price tag? By the fanboy's logic, every star duelist of every decent team should have a buyout of at least 1 million usd.
His social following is probably more important to the org than his performance. Before he joined SEN used to have 100k something followers now they have 600k, their tweets get the highest engagement compared to any other org. If you don't know important these things are then you are new to esports. Either you have to be the best at the game or you have to be insanely popular to be a great assest to the org
commonW [#18]tenz is the shittiest player ever
you guys will get reality checked
just because he can get 20 kills in an open qualifier match doesnt mean he is good and worth millions
He’s worth millions because he can generate millions in revenue, not because he can click mouse. Makes sense ?
busterD [#19]He’s worth millions because he can generate millions in revenue, not because he can click mouse. Makes sense ?
shouldve signed him as a content creator then.
so he wont hold his team back
armeena [#20]Getting downvoted for telling the truth
tenz fanboys are too braindead and they only care about the scoreboard in an open qualifier
GLN321 [#15]If he ends up leaving then I guess the question would be for how much, I can very well imagine him being more valuable now as an asset than last year, so they might even make a return on their investment just on the transaction price. But then again, I don't think any org could by tenz right now anyways
It'll mainly depend on how Tenz's contract is structured. If they have him signed for the long term then they aren't gonna sell him even if he wants to leave because I think no org would be able to pay what Sentinels would want for him, other orgs would rather just wait for his contract to end. If his contract ends at the end of the year then I could see him leaving for a different team for the next VCT, or just pursuing cc(if he goes the content creation route I see him joining 100T).
Hide123 [#24]It'll mainly depend on how Tenz's contract is structured. If they have him signed for the long term then they aren't gonna sell him even if he wants to leave because I think no org would be able to pay what Sentinels would want for him, other orgs would rather just wait for his contract to end. If his contract ends at the end of the year then I could see him leaving for a different team for the next VCT, or just pursuing cc(if he goes the content creation route I see him joining 100T).
I guess thats true, I just assume the contract is probably in the longer side of things (maybe 2-3+ years). It’d be kinda dumb to pay such a high buyout if you werent planning on signing the player long term imo.
kristof [#2]no, not even close
Name one valorant pro (who streams) that can average 40k viewers and has peaks of 100k has more Instagram/twitter interactions than the entire call of duty scene and one of the most mechanical l gifted players
GLN321 [#27]I guess thats true, I just assume the contract is probably in the longer side of things (maybe 2-3+ years). It’d be kinda dumb to pay such a high buyout if you werent planning on signing the player long term imo.
I agree, but idk if Sentinels actually would've been able to do that. They seemed pretty desperate to get Tenz at the time, and Tenz at the time was the best player in the world and had essentially just been locked in contract jail by C9 for the past couple of months so he might've been able to negotiate a contract that could let him leave at the end of this year if he wanted rather than being locked in for the long term.
hell no, he forced shazam to play Sova (which was sinatraa's role before). He was definitely a downgrade from sinatraa overall, even though his raw aiming skills are better than sinatraa's, it's not like sinatraa was lacking in firepower. Also Shazam's jett is nothing to joke about, so imo no, he wasn't worth it as a pro, but CERTAINLY worth it as a content creator.
Tentativas [#36]hell no, he forced shazam to play Sova (which was sinatraa's role before). He was definitely a downgrade from sinatraa overall, even though his raw aiming skills are better than sinatraa's, it's not like sinatraa was lacking in firepower. Also Shazam's jett is nothing to joke about, so imo no, he wasn't worth it as a pro, but CERTAINLY worth it as a content creator.
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commonW [#21]shouldve signed him as a content creator then.
so he wont hold his team back
How is he holding his team back exactly ? He’s doing his role, maybe he’s shit some games/some games good but he will play as he has been asked to play by his coach/igl. The team is lacking structure and planning/strats. Kicking tenz won’t solve it. When the teams game plan is someone go get aim diffs and win us the round.
Chocolate_Mint_Icecream [#28]Name one valorant pro (who streams) that can average 40k viewers and has peaks of 100k has more Instagram/twitter interactions than the entire call of duty scene and one of the most mechanical l gifted players
That only matters if the org can monetize it.
Twitter is one of the most used sites in the world with engagement numbers that most apps and platforms can't even dream of, yet its financials are terrible.
From what I have heard, it is rare for an org to get a cut of a pro player's earnings from streaming. If they do, then that's great. If they don't, however, how exactly is TenZ's brand being monetized in a way that helps make up for the amount they paid for him + his salary which presumably is bound to be massive?
Tentativas [#36]hell no, he forced shazam to play Sova (which was sinatraa's role before). He was definitely a downgrade from sinatraa overall, even though his raw aiming skills are better than sinatraa's, it's not like sinatraa was lacking in firepower. Also Shazam's jett is nothing to joke about, so imo no, he wasn't worth it as a pro, but CERTAINLY worth it as a content creator.
Anyone at pro level can play Jett lol. Even steel played Jett and got 20 frags. Tenz is not the problem, the coach/igl issue is the problem. The team has no fucking clue what to do in game other than go for aim diff
busterD [#40]Anyone at pro level can play Jett lol. Even steel played Jett and got 20 frags. Tenz is not the problem, the coach/igl issue is the problem. The team has no fucking clue what to do in game other than go for aim diff
Never said TenZ was the problem, I'm saying he wasn't worth it... wait how the fuck did you misread what I said that badly
spaldingmatters [#39]That only matters if the org can monetize it.
Twitter is one of the most used sites in the world with engagement numbers that most apps and platforms can't even dream of, yet its financials are terrible.
From what I have heard, it is rare for an org to get a cut of a pro player's earnings from streaming. If they do, then that's great. If they don't, however, how exactly is TenZ's brand being monetized in a way that helps make up for the amount they paid for him + his salary which presumably is bound to be massive?
It makes the org popular. It helps selling merch. It helps sealing sponsor deals. It gets the org's matches views up. It creates them a dedicated fanbase. It helps to make succesful content online (youtube, etc.)
spaldingmatters [#39]That only matters if the org can monetize it.
Twitter is one of the most used sites in the world with engagement numbers that most apps and platforms can't even dream of, yet its financials are terrible.
From what I have heard, it is rare for an org to get a cut of a pro player's earnings from streaming. If they do, then that's great. If they don't, however, how exactly is TenZ's brand being monetized in a way that helps make up for the amount they paid for him + his salary which presumably is bound to be massive?
You much be crazy to think that twitter is not the major source of advertising their merch.
GLN321 [#42]It makes the org popular. It helps selling merch. It helps sealing sponsor deals. It gets the org's matches views up. It creates them a dedicated fanbase. It helps to make succesful content online (youtube, etc.)
Very good reply, I didn't think of the sponsor angle!
prxwinsberlin [#43]You much be crazy to think that twitter is not the major source of advertising their merch.
I am not sure what the profit margin of esports merchandize is, but another poster had a very good reply to me outlining several benefits.
GLN321 [#42]It makes the org popular. It helps selling merch. It helps sealing sponsor deals. It gets the org's matches views up. It creates them a dedicated fanbase. It helps to make succesful content online (youtube, etc.)
yeah like optic did with nadeshot
spaldingmatters [#39]That only matters if the org can monetize it.
Twitter is one of the most used sites in the world with engagement numbers that most apps and platforms can't even dream of, yet its financials are terrible.
From what I have heard, it is rare for an org to get a cut of a pro player's earnings from streaming. If they do, then that's great. If they don't, however, how exactly is TenZ's brand being monetized in a way that helps make up for the amount they paid for him + his salary which presumably is bound to be massive?
If they wouldn’t be getting a cut of the streaming revenue. They would’ve never paid such an insane amount and c9 would have nothing to back their insane price tag. Winning tournaments would never be enough to cover such a price tag. I’m assuming it’s stream revenue + sponsors willing to pump more funds knowing tenz is in the roster which increases their visibility as well.
Tentativas [#41]Never said TenZ was the problem, I'm saying he wasn't worth it... wait how the fuck did you misread what I said that badly
He’s not worth it because the team is not structured to make any of their players worth their potential you dumb donkey. Gtn fanstraights won’t udnerstand
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