C9W are so fucked bad matchup
Edit:wait so people really thought C9 white would win? I mean like its not even me being sexist just they can't compete with the T2 scene i thought that was obvious.
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1.46 2.42 1.05 | 295 378 262 | 18 8 10 | / 9 1 8 / | 10 4 6 | +9 +7 +2 | 94% 100% 92% | 187 231 169 | 25% 40% 20% | 1 1 0 | 0 0 0 | +1 +1 0 | |
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1.41 1.91 1.20 | 269 243 280 | 17 5 12 | / 9 0 9 / | 5 4 1 | +8 +5 +3 | 94% 100% 92% | 166 166 166 | 21% 21% 21% | 3 0 3 | 0 0 0 | +3 0 +3 | |
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1.33 1.01 1.46 | 211 145 239 | 14 3 11 | / 7 2 5 / | 1 0 1 | +7 +1 +6 | 76% 80% 75% | 127 94 141 | 35% 29% 38% | 6 2 4 | 1 0 1 | +5 +2 +3 | |
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1.14 0.77 1.29 | 242 197 261 | 15 4 11 | / 11 4 7 / | 5 0 5 | +4 0 +4 | 82% 100% 75% | 155 104 177 | 18% 7% 21% | 3 2 1 | 2 0 2 | +1 +2 -1 | |
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0.84 1.77 0.45 | 157 330 85 | 10 7 3 | / 10 1 9 / | 10 5 5 | 0 +6 -6 | 65% 80% 58% | 94 224 40 | 47% 50% 43% | 1 0 1 | 0 0 0 | +1 0 +1 |
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1.07 1.05 1.12 | 248 226 302 | 15 10 5 | / 15 10 5 / | 2 2 0 | 0 0 0 | 71% 75% 60% | 161 154 177 | 29% 22% 50% | 0 0 0 | 3 2 1 | -3 -2 -1 | |
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0.87 1.28 0.02 | 194 271 10 | 11 11 0 | / 14 9 5 / | 4 3 1 | -3 +2 -5 | 65% 83% 20% | 113 158 5 | 52% 54% 0% | 0 0 0 | 1 0 1 | -1 0 -1 | |
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0.83 1.11 0.15 | 172 227 44 | 9 8 1 | / 15 10 5 / | 3 3 0 | -6 -2 -4 | 59% 67% 40% | 117 151 36 | 28% 28% 25% | 3 3 0 | 6 4 2 | -3 -1 -2 | |
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0.64 0.96 0.02 | 120 154 38 | 7 7 0 | / 14 9 5 / | 5 5 0 | -7 -2 -5 | 47% 67% | 83 102 38 | 24% 26% 0% | 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | |
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0.22 0.19 0.31 | 81 63 129 | 4 2 2 | / 16 11 5 / | 3 3 0 | -12 -9 -3 | 59% 58% 60% | 62 55 80 | 33% 23% 60% | 0 0 0 | 4 3 1 | -4 -3 -1 |
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1.35 1.12 1.24 | 236 212 265 | 27 14 13 | / 19 8 11 / | 22 13 9 | +8 +6 +2 | 94% 100% 88% | 159 138 182 | 26% 24% 26% | 2 2 0 | 1 1 0 | +1 +1 0 | |
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1.88 0.47 1.20 | 244 362 113 | 30 24 6 | / 20 7 13 / | 14 7 7 | +10 +17 -7 | 76% 88% 63% | 142 222 57 | 45% 44% 50% | 2 1 1 | 1 1 0 | +1 0 +1 | |
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1.30 0.91 1.11 | 212 198 231 | 27 14 13 | / 18 5 13 / | 7 5 2 | +9 +9 0 | 85% 88% 81% | 131 126 136 | 22% 23% 21% | 4 0 4 | 2 1 1 | +2 -1 +3 |
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0.90 0.67 0.97 | 221 128 253 | 12 2 10 | / 14 3 11 / | 2 0 2 | -2 -1 -1 | 88% 100% 83% | 139 87 157 | 32% 17% 38% | 5 1 4 | 2 1 1 | +3 0 +3 | |
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0.23 1.01 0.03 | 114 278 60 | 5 4 1 | / 16 4 12 / | 3 1 2 | -11 0 -11 | 50% 75% 42% | 87 167 61 | 32% 30% 33% | 1 0 1 | 2 0 2 | -1 0 -1 | |
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Past Matches
Apollyonic [#2]Is this the farthest Cloud9 White has gone in qualifiers? If this is good progress. This is gonna be hard (GenG pretty good). Pretty interested how they do against a tier 2 NA team.
pretty sure it is, or it has been a long time since they went this far
ayanzx [#13]shi geng val is a lot like eg cs
used to be...this new roster is gonna qualify I'm sure of it
DELUSIONAL_POTTER_FAN [#15]trademarked
getting my lawyer ^_^!
im a big fan delusional potter fan ^_^
Apollyonic [#2]Is this the farthest Cloud9 White has gone in qualifiers? If this is good progress. This is gonna be hard (GenG pretty good). Pretty interested how they do against a tier 2 NA team.
I want to see Cloud9 White go far, and damn they beat clanless, which isn't even that bad with some actually good players. I still have to go with my Gen.G hopium though. Gen.G reformed their roster, and it looks very solid, which is great considering their agent compositions used to super erratic and odd. I think the consistency of this Gen.G roster should hold up pretty well.
Gen.G 2-0 WHOMEGALUL
Grimoire [#19]please do not involve your lawyer >_<
I won't ^_^!
You have permission to use now ^_^!
Gorbachov [#33]Most likely a easy 2-0, hope c9 put up a fight tho
They will.
Haven't lost a series last year and this year.
it is interesting to see how far will they go.
meloe [#42]There's no way. Obv a mistake. There's no shot that the stream runners actually think people care about seeing fucking LG vs girl kissers over this. No way.
They do this often when a female team is playing a popular male team. I don't know if they don't want to have to do with all the toxic viewers that flock the stream due to the popularity, or because they don't want to show the female team possibly getting destroyed. Either way, it is weird to not show this match since both teams actually have a big following, even C9W
Apollyonic [#2]Is this the farthest Cloud9 White has gone in qualifiers? If this is good progress. This is gonna be hard (GenG pretty good). Pretty interested how they do against a tier 2 NA team.
the team they beat was a tier 2 NA team
andrewdamf [#53]i dont understand the point of people asking to stream this, literally everyone knows they would get destroyed and mel would try to do her best like always to win these matches lmfao
thats why, they could stream map 1 and 2 and then still have time to broadcast map 2 from another match
Freudzcsgo [#55]thats why, they could stream map 1 and 2 and then still have time to broadcast map 2 from another match
You have a really good point
andrewdamf [#53]i dont understand the point of people asking to stream this, literally everyone knows they would get destroyed and mel would try to do her best like always to win these matches lmfao
That's not how you decide what games to stream. SEN are absolutely destroying pugstars as everyone predicted, but that's still being streamed. C9W are more popular team than ghost gaming and LG, so I don't see how you justify streaming those games instead of C9W vs Gen.G
andrewdamf [#53]i dont understand the point of people asking to stream this, literally everyone knows they would get destroyed and mel would try to do her best like always to win these matches lmfao
To support the female scene and help promote it so that even more females are encouraged to compete.... yk, kinda basic. Riot is heavily invested in supporting female esports, and so streaming arguably one of the biggest games in female Val history should have been a no brainer for Nerd Street, regardless of "literally everyone" believing they were unlikely to win (completely irrelevant).
The fact that I had to explain this to you suggests you arent very bright.
meloe [#60]That's not how you decide what games to stream. SEN are absolutely destroying pugstars as everyone predicted, but that's still being streamed. C9W are more popular team than ghost gaming and LG, so I don't see how you justify streaming those games instead of C9W vs Gen.G
it literally how it is lol, sentinels is getting streamer because of viewership + everyone wanted to see kanpeki. and HOW is c9w more popular than ghost and LG? Are u on drugs
namzelor [#1]C9W are so fucked bad matchup
Edit:wait so people really thought C9 white would win? I mean like its not even me being sexist just they can't compete with the T2 scene i thought that was obvious.
So why was i downvoted for saying the truth?
Dont tell me people actually thought C9 would beat a mid T2 team??
vollizie [#47]They gotta be braindead to not stream this game
c9w is tier 5 so make sense no stream
andrewdamf [#62]it literally how it is lol, sentinels is getting streamer because of viewership + everyone wanted to see kanpeki. and HOW is c9w more popular than ghost and LG? Are u on drugs
C9 is a bigger org than ghost an LG so more people know about C9W and most people want to see how a female team fairs against t2/t1 teams
heavnsent [#61]To support the female scene and help promote it so that even more females are encouraged to compete.... yk, kinda basic. Riot is heavily invested in supporting female esports, and so streaming arguably one of the biggest games in female Val history should have been a no brainer for Nerd Street, regardless of "literally everyone" believing they were unlikely to win (completely irrelevant).
The fact that I had to explain this to you suggests you arent very bright.
Streaming a game doenst mean supporting female esports lmfao. Its just one team, if they want to support them they should make something about it and idk make these teams constantly play against men teams, not that hard. This bullshit of "females encouraged to play pro" is probably the dumbest thing ive ever seen, everyone knows c9w and everyone knows they are top 5 female teams in the world, there is nothing to promote. Also im sure that most of girls who are high rank in the game tried to play pro or is playing right now
YOEGEZA [#36]They will.
Haven't lost a series last year and this year.
it is interesting to see how far will they go.
of course they didnt lose they play against ranked teams
Freudzcsgo [#43]They do this often when a female team is playing a popular male team. I don't know if they don't want to have to do with all the toxic viewers that flock the stream due to the popularity, or because they don't want to show the female team possibly getting destroyed. Either way, it is weird to not show this match since both teams actually have a big following, even C9W
I think its just that they had C9W on stream yesterday for their first match, and they're trying to show as many different teams as possible.
Eventually the tournament will thin out enough that they can show off everyone, but until then, they're prolly trying to avoid showing any team more than once if they can show off someone else instead.
zyzyck [#67]C9 is a bigger org than ghost an LG so more people know about C9W and most people want to see how a female team fairs against t2/t1 teams
c9 is, c9w is not. If that was true they should be getting the same views the men c9 roster gets, which obviously they dont get, and yes you could say ppl want to see them play against t2/t1 teams, but also everyone knew they wouldnt do so well.
andrewdamf [#62]it literally how it is lol, sentinels is getting streamer because of viewership + everyone wanted to see kanpeki. and HOW is c9w more popular than ghost and LG? Are u on drugs
How do you contradict yourself and then retract in the same sentence. So you agree that SEN always get streamed because of viewership and popularity right? C9W matches consistently get more viewership than both ghost and LG games 100 percent of the time. Were not talking about who is better, we're talking purely about who was more fans/people care about watching them. And if you think ghost gaming has more fans than C9W then you are clearly the one on drugs lmao.
andrewdamf [#69]Streaming a game doenst mean supporting female esports lmfao. Its just one team, if they want to support them they should make something about it and idk make these teams constantly play against men teams, not that hard. This bullshit of "females encouraged to play pro" is probably the dumbest thing ive ever seen, everyone knows c9w and everyone knows they are top 5 female teams in the world, there is nothing to promote. Also im sure that most of girls who are high rank in the game tried to play pro or is playing right now
Yikes
namzelor [#65]So why was i downvoted for saying the truth?
Dont tell me people actually thought C9 would beat a mid T2 team??
Because Majority of vlr users are sensitive kids who get triggered easily.
meloe [#74]How do you contradict yourself and then retract in the same sentence. So you agree that SEN always get streamed because of viewership and popularity right? C9W matches consistently get more viewership than both ghost and LG games 100 percent of the time. Were not talking about who is better, we're talking purely about who was more fans/people care about watching them. And if you think ghost gaming has more fans than C9W then you are clearly the one on drugs lmao.
C9W doenst get more views lmfao what are you talking about bro. C9 on literally grandfinals in GC tournament couldnt even surpass 1500 views, while ghost has literally had like 5000 before. And i dont even need to talk about LG, and also there is a difference between fans and viewers. Obviously c9w is gonna have more fans because they have been on this way time before and also because they get talked about alot on this forum, but that doenst mean nothing
andrewdamf [#77]C9W doenst get more views lmfao what are you talking about bro. C9 on literally grandfinals in GC tournament couldnt even surpass 1500 views, while ghost has literally had like 5000 before. And i dont even need to talk about LG, and also there is a difference between fans and viewers. Obviously c9w is gonna have more fans because they have been on this way time before and also because they get talked about alot on this forum, but that doenst mean nothing
That's how I know you just lying and talking out your ass. C9W vs SHOP had at least 20K viewers, probably more. I was watching it. What do you gain by just lying to try and justify your wrong opinions? Just take the L.
namzelor [#65]So why was i downvoted for saying the truth?
Dont tell me people actually thought C9 would beat a mid T2 team??
because it's a female team so it makes sense you get downvoted for saying the truth, you have to be nice to them always or you're gonna get people talking shit 2 u, it's how it is, this is probably gonna get downvoted as well
andrewdamf [#73]c9 is, c9w is not. If that was true they should be getting the same views the men c9 roster gets, which obviously they dont get, and yes you could say ppl want to see them play against t2/t1 teams, but also everyone knew they wouldnt do so well.
obviously they arent c9b, but they have the c9 name which brings them viewers no matter what. not the same amount as the male roster but still a hefty amount, undeniably more than what LG and Ghost are pulling currently (~500). and more people want to see if they can cause an upset because this is the furthest they've gotten (ever, or in a while) so theres more suspense than other games, even if they wouldnt do so well
DELUSIONAL_JCSTANI_FAN [#79]the one time i will root against jcstani. i just want girl kissers vs c9w
That woulda been hilarious
namzelor [#65]So why was i downvoted for saying the truth?
Dont tell me people actually thought C9 would beat a mid T2 team??
Because critical truth tends to not be popular on social media so folks use the power of downvotes as payback unfortunately. If it's not something preaching to the choir and/or inflating an ego then it's usually not received well.
romanval [#83]ez for geng, c9w so good but lose to t2 team? whaaat? 7 rounds in 2 matches??
Because c9w aren't that good. Everyone just hypes them up for no reason lol.
WIKDIOSLSLSODK [#88]Because c9w aren't that good. Everyone just hypes them up for no reason lol.
ik they become keyboard warriors when they win a GC match saying ez just be respectful especially when ur "demon" roster is t3 in mens scene like cmon
romanval [#90]ik they become keyboard warriors when they win a GC match saying ez just be respectful especially when ur "demon" roster is t3 in mens scene like cmon
no u dumbass. no one ever said C9W was better than or could beat Gen.G. People just want to see one of the few women's rosters in the scene do well, that's it. Its amazing how all of you sexist ass mfs alway make this into "lol these women can't even beat T2 men hahaha" when people are just saying GG nice try C9W.
romanval [#90]ik they become keyboard warriors when they win a GC match saying ez just be respectful especially when ur "demon" roster is t3 in mens scene like cmon
They can maybe jump up to T2 (or Mel could idk) but the people who keep saying Mel T1 or C9W T1 need to hop off the Breaking Bad grade copium they got stored.
valorant_fanboy_69 [#54]the team they beat was a tier 2 NA team
not even close lol what? there are t2 players on the team but they are not an org and have no team chemistry. they just started playing together for this qualifier or are you trolling
meloe [#91]no u dumbass. no one ever said C9W was better than or could beat Gen.G. People just want to see one of the few women's rosters in the scene do well, that's it. Its amazing how all of you sexist ass mfs alway make this into "lol these women can't even beat T2 men hahaha" when people are just saying GG nice try C9W.
sexist? They just can't beat a tier 2/1.5 team its that simple. Sex has nothing to do with anything.
meloe [#91]no u dumbass. no one ever said C9W was better than or could beat Gen.G. People just want to see one of the few women's rosters in the scene do well, that's it. Its amazing how all of you sexist ass mfs alway make this into "lol these women can't even beat T2 men hahaha" when people are just saying GG nice try C9W.
Without intent to be sexist. C9W just sucks. they won't even beat men Tier 5 teams atm.
Damnson [#99]Without intent to be sexist. C9W just sucks. they won't even beat men Tier 5 teams atm.
Ok that's a little far. C9W are definitely T3 and maybe T2.5
meloe [#42]There's no way. Obv a mistake. There's no shot that the stream runners actually think people care about seeing fucking LG vs girl kissers over this. No way.
Did you just disrespect the best team in NA, girl kissers?
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