CYPHER AND PHOENIX CHANGES

both of em need reworks
CYPHER:-

• let him take his cam back even if its not in his LOS (increase the cooldown to 25s to compensate for this)
• add some HP to his trips, even a gust of wind breaks them
• remove friendly fire to his setups
• ULT- make it tick twice or thrice(like sova drone, increase ult points to 7)
  PHOENIX:-
  1. make his flashes last longer and pop fast
  2. increase the radius of his molly and increase the distance at which it falls straight down (the 2nd part is debatable)
  3. HIS WALL DOESNT BLINDS US WHEN WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH IT, increase the DPS of his wall and it increases the longer you stay in its contact
  4. let us heal with just one ability, using both just to get back to 100HP seems a waste of it (debatable)
  5. let us cancel his ult and maybe add a stim effect to it

Bump :(

Cypher can call his camera back. Play the game more.

Shownu [#3]

Cypher can call his camera back. Play the game more.

he can't if it's not in his line of sight
edit: bri'ish education

Shownu [#3]

Cypher can call his camera back. Play the game more.

"LOS" 🤷‍♂️

everyone gets blinded when phoenix ults, ends after the ult
wall instakills when someone makes contact w it
flash freezes the affected player
molly doesn't end

Shownu [#3]

Cypher can call his camera back. Play the game more.

The Bri-ish can't read quite literally

davmg [#4]

he can't if it's not in his line of sight
edit: bri'ish education

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davmg [#4]

he can't if it's not in his line of sight
edit: bri'ish education

he would probably need a bo'ohw'o'wo'er to cool down that burn

I think cypher seems pretty decent on high-level. They use him to counter Jett in certain maps (which is one of the best agents). Maybe a buff on his ult?
And Phoenix is dead, they need to give him a rework.

davmg [#4]

he can't if it's not in his line of sight
edit: bri'ish education

That is stupid if he is able to call camera without LOS. He can literally camp A while he moves camera with ease from B.

Shownu [#11]

That is stupid if he is able to call camera without LOS. He can literally camp A while he moves camera with ease from B.

hence the cooldown compensation

WhitBR [#10]

I think cypher seems pretty decent on high-level. They use him to counter Jett in certain maps (which is one of the best agents). Maybe a buff on his ult?
And Phoenix is dead, they need to give him a rework.

Cypher util barely ever finds value. Either his trips get destroyed instantly, he gets kayo ulted/knifed or dies before they can get caught in his trips

I dont think cypher ult scan need rework or buff, his ult already fit his role so much, he one of top 3 best lurker agent, so imagine you just need lurk and get a freebies and ULT you got all the info, you can instantly decide to continue lurk/flank or rotate to teammate
I think they need buff his ULT ranges, so he doesnt need screaming "GIMME A CORPSE" while the corpse literally in front of him, and pushing enemy corpse for ULT just give enemy easy trade kill, even when you using smoke you still die some times

And for phoenix, yeah canceling ult is something really important to him, its so dumb to see phoenix cant defuse spike because he cant cancel the ULT, or get ULT camp because he cant cancel ULT and one more think his after ULT animation taking time like a year

Make cypher's cage slow enemies again please I beg!

YvngKurry [#13]

Cypher util barely ever finds value. Either his trips get destroyed instantly, he gets kayo ulted/knifed or dies before they can get caught in his trips

Riot already make it clear after they puts ranges on KJ traps, the different between cypher and the other sentinels, cypher utilitize not just for holding site, also giving map control, while kj focusing on anchoring one site
Back to your point, destroying cypher util also giving your team a info, it already enough info to know someone coming
Talking about kayo, kayo are nightmare for anchor site agents like (sentinels and controllers) not only for cypher, so if you say cypher bad because kayo its doesnt count

m11lan [#14]

I dont think cypher ult scan need rework or buff, his ult already fit his role so much, he one of top 3 best lurker agent, so imagine you just need lurk and get a freebies and ULT you got all the info, you can instantly decide to continue lurk/flank or rotate to teammate
I think they need buff his ULT ranges, so he doesnt need screaming "GIMME A CORPSE" while the corpse literally in front of him, and pushing enemy corpse for ULT just give enemy easy trade kill, even when you using smoke you still die some times

And for phoenix, yeah canceling ult is something really important to him, its so dumb to see phoenix cant defuse spike because he cant cancel the ULT, or get ULT camp because he cant cancel ULT and one more think his after ULT animation taking time like a year

I understand your point on Cypher, but we are talking about the WORST ult on the game. An Ultimate needs a huge advantage for the agent or the team in general.

For the other sentinels we have:
Sage - Ressurrect and give 100HP to a player.
Killjoy - Control on a masive area, with few or none way to contest.
Chamber - A gun that instakill even behind thin walls (better than Operator) with 4x scope and the mobility of a Marshal.

When you put cypher in comparison with this other sentinels you see how trash his ult reallly is.

m11lan [#14]

I dont think cypher ult scan need rework or buff, his ult already fit his role so much, he one of top 3 best lurker agent, so imagine you just need lurk and get a freebies and ULT you got all the info, you can instantly decide to continue lurk/flank or rotate to teammate
I think they need buff his ULT ranges, so he doesnt need screaming "GIMME A CORPSE" while the corpse literally in front of him, and pushing enemy corpse for ULT just give enemy easy trade kill, even when you using smoke you still die some times

And for phoenix, yeah canceling ult is something really important to him, its so dumb to see phoenix cant defuse spike because he cant cancel the ULT, or get ULT camp because he cant cancel ULT and one more think his after ULT animation taking time like a year

What I mean is, just bc his ult fit his role, doesn't mean that it you can't buff it.

Shownu [#11]

That is stupid if he is able to call camera without LOS. He can literally camp A while he moves camera with ease from B.

You might want to play the game before talking

a fun and unique buff for phoenix that I was thinking is probably add an interaction on his abilities when he's using ultimate.
Flash would last longer
Wall would be longer, taller, and spread faster
Molly would deal more damage and give vulnerable effect to enemy
While he has ability on his hand and he died in the ult, the ult would flash 180 just like yoru clone (so atleast his ult doesnt goes to waste)
I feel like thats pretty balanced changes for a character that have ult every 3 rounds

WhitBR [#18]

What I mean is, just bc his ult fit his role, doesn't mean that it you can't buff it.

I mean giving insta reveal to the rest enemy team position is a huge advantage, the same reason sova is S+ tier agent, because revealing enemy position on minimap and through the wall

The main problem with cypher are riot intentionally make his tripwire cant attached because 1meter less at many structures on every maps, they make cypher tripwire to predictable, thats why cypher player only using tripwire on site entrance and gets spam shoot the second round start
while KJ, chamber, sage can puts their traps everywhere and get creative to it

m11lan [#14]

I dont think cypher ult scan need rework or buff, his ult already fit his role so much, he one of top 3 best lurker agent, so imagine you just need lurk and get a freebies and ULT you got all the info, you can instantly decide to continue lurk/flank or rotate to teammate
I think they need buff his ULT ranges, so he doesnt need screaming "GIMME A CORPSE" while the corpse literally in front of him, and pushing enemy corpse for ULT just give enemy easy trade kill, even when you using smoke you still die some times

And for phoenix, yeah canceling ult is something really important to him, its so dumb to see phoenix cant defuse spike because he cant cancel the ULT, or get ULT camp because he cant cancel ULT and one more think his after ULT animation taking time like a year

He doesn't scream "GIMME A CORPSE", its like "GI-GI-GI-GI-GI-GI-GI-GI"

Barss [#7]

The Bri-ish can't read quite literally

on their own language

for cypher's ult I'd make it act as a sova's recon, could be 1 tick idc, but this static imagine is honestly such a grief
and make him ult without the corpse

m11lan [#21]

I mean giving insta reveal to the rest enemy team position is a huge advantage, the same reason sova is S+ tier agent, because revealing enemy position on minimap and through the wall

The main problem with cypher are riot intentionally make his tripwire cant attached because 1meter less at many structures on every maps, they make cypher tripwire to predictable, thats why cypher player only using tripwire on site entrance and gets spam shoot the second round start
while KJ, chamber, sage can puts their traps everywhere and get creative to it

Well, tecnically yes, except for the fact that Kay-o, Sova, Skye and Cypher himself can have simillar results with their skills.
And I personally think that Skye's ult is better than Cypher.

Cypher Ult will tag the exact location of 4 or less enemies for 1 sec, or something close to this, and you need to be near a corpse.
Skye ult will hunt UNTIL FIND 3 or less enemies, at any distance, and they will need to shoot them so you have a gun sound from where they are. If they don't broke it, they will be blinded for some time.

It might be overpowered (bc i just think about this), but if Cypher ult give the enemies spotted that thing that his camera shoots, and you need to press F to remove it, it will way better and more competitive with the other sentinels

I think cypher is fine.

Maybe add the slow back to his cages.

Make Phoenix flashes last longer and let him toggle the direction he throws them so he can throw them behind himself. Make the gun rearm time a little faster so you can throw flashes behind you mid gun fight to flash people in front of you but not yourself.

Would turn him into a battle flashing duelist and keep his style and flair.

m11lan [#21]

I mean giving insta reveal to the rest enemy team position is a huge advantage, the same reason sova is S+ tier agent, because revealing enemy position on minimap and through the wall

The main problem with cypher are riot intentionally make his tripwire cant attached because 1meter less at many structures on every maps, they make cypher tripwire to predictable, thats why cypher player only using tripwire on site entrance and gets spam shoot the second round start
while KJ, chamber, sage can puts their traps everywhere and get creative to it

And about the traps, i agree with you, is way easier to find cypher utillities than kj, and that''s why she's played more