From all the EMEA teams and NA teams that got into this tournament only 1 of each reagion survived. Were minor regions like Korea, BR, SEA, JP actually underated?
Did NA and EMEA arrogance created their downfall? What do you guys think.
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Is NA and EMEA overated?
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rtyjrdtesh [#5]Give asians enough time they will dominate any game
I mean the only region from apac that is good in other games is Korea ? I don’t think SEA is nearly as good at LoL or csgo as EU
Mdkns [#6]I mean the only region from apac that is good in other games is Korea ? I don’t think SEA is nearly as good at LoL or csgo as EU
Have you watched Dota 2, fighting games or any esports games?
SpreeAL [#8]Have you watched Dota 2, fighting games or any esports games?
Fighting games are dominated by Japan if i am not wrong
And i think KR don't have team in dota.
KR/CN best in cs in Asia
Pubg pc : KR(recently GOAT of PUBG PC retired)
What are u trying to say?
Tosspoa [#9]EMEA is and will probably be the stronger region, NA got a great start with good T2 CS players, but as the game evolves they will probably fall off...
true facts
SpreeAL [#8]Have you watched Dota 2, fighting games or any esports games?
And South Asia region is good at mobile games
D3ltAgg [#13]And South Asia region is good at mobile games
Indonesia is best in terms of achievements...but rn they are weak
Last global tourney
Navi
Mena region team
Turkey teams played good
Mdkns [#6]I mean the only region from apac that is good in other games is Korea ? I don’t think SEA is nearly as good at LoL or csgo as EU
Sea dominates Mobile legends tho (or something like that I'm not sure)
Pemetro [#18]4th
TL faced Guild while Gambit faced G2 at the same level. If TL faced Gambit, Gambit would've won for sure.
VirajKnight [#20]TL faced Guild while Gambit faced G2 at the same level. If TL faced Gambit, Gambit would've won for sure.
You can't suppose that something would happen or not, the fact it is TL is 4th seed of Emea
trola [#19]EMEA? no.
Remember FPX is supposed to be here, Liquid is their replacement.
Remember Derke was sick and Braveaf is Russian.
Nah EMEA got the first flights outta there, nt tho.
Pemetro [#21]You can't suppose that something would happen or not, the fact it is TL is 4th seed of Emea
It is possible to say something like that if watched their performance in that tournament
VirajKnight [#23]It is possible to say something like that if watched their performance in that tournament
no
trola [#19]EMEA? no.
Remember FPX is supposed to be here, Liquid is their replacement.
Remember Derke was sick and Braveaf is Russian.
yes FPX was supposed to go home instead of Liquid yesterday
rtyjrdtesh [#25]yes FPX was supposed to go home instead of Liquid yesterday
Fpx was destroying every team in emea, this tournament would've been so easy for them
Tokyo777 [#10]Fighting games are dominated by Japan if i am not wrong
And i think KR don't have team in dota.
KR/CN best in cs in Asia
Pubg pc : KR(recently GOAT of PUBG PC retired)
What are u trying to say?
dont speak if u dont know
the most famous fighter esports is tekken and the goat is korean (knee, funnily he plays for DRX now)
Mdkns [#6]I mean the only region from apac that is good in other games is Korea ? I don’t think SEA is nearly as good at LoL or csgo as EU
sea is good at dota, especially filipino players
Valgod [#26]Fpx was destroying every team in emea, this tournament would've been so easy for them
sure, DRX is now back to form when they were winning 102 games straight, this tournament is too ez for them too.
Not sure about NA but EMEA was just unfortunate:
FPX: Best team in Europe probably cant attend the event
Gambit: Second best team in Europe even if G2 fluked them
Acend: Literally you gotta feel bad for the bad luck these guys have had man, also if zeek had played against bbl they would have won and G2 who are now in upper semis wouldnt even be here, they are coming back strong with vakk and idk the other guy they are signing, I think they are going to be the best together with Gambit and FPX in stage 2
Teams at Masters:
Fnatic: Boaster has a shitty system and they are missing their 2 best players, what would loud without aspas and sacy? nothing, so you cant expect more than what they did imo, pretty unfornutate for them
TL: 5th best team in EMEA at best, considering they are playing proper comps, if not, they are maybe even 7th, no IGL + bad coach, this was their last tournament as 5 as sliggy said, they are getting an igl finally so this was not a bad performance although it could have been better for a dead team who is barely top5 in EMEA
G2: The best behind FPX, Gambit and probably new Acend. 5 solid players and a system that works, great coach too, probably top4 EMEA. They are in upper semifinals although they got an easy first match against zeta, the real test will be today against loud, and considering liquid almost beat them and g2 easily beat zeta I think G2 should win this one, also way more experienced than loud, probably the best team in the tournament imo
How is EMEA overrated? How do you expect a continent that is suffering so much shit lately to perform at their best? Simply not mentally there and russian players not being able to attend events because they cant get visas doesnt help, now imagine Gambit, FPX and Acend were here, maybe even Guild with more time, dont know if russian players will be able to attend masters 2 but if they do and Gambit, FPX and Acend make it, you will see if EMEA is overrated or not m8
SpreeAL [#8]Have you watched Dota 2, fighting games or any esports games?
I mean, Europe has been dominating Dota lately, China fell off recently
davmg [#7]EMEA was severely nerfed I dont think anyone can benchmark their performance from this tourney
ty for using your brain, its so annoying seeing all this bullshit threads thinking this is the best EMEA can offer, they win once against a wounded EMEA and think we are just not good anymore, motherfuckers the best players itw are not even here, where are Derke, Chronicle, Cned, Nats, zeek, Shao, ardiis, etc... not even here, instead we have Scream who plays like in beta and cant use his brain and h1ber who is insane but doesnt even have t1 experience lmao, only actual top EMEA player at the event are Jamppi, Nivera, hoody and nukkye, and only nukkye is a top5 EMEA player out of these
rtyjrdtesh [#25]yes FPX was supposed to go home instead of Liquid yesterday
FPX is different from troll team like Lulquid
idkbro [#32]ty for using your brain, its so annoying seeing all this bullshit threads thinking this is the best EMEA can offer, they win once against a wounded EMEA and think we are just not good anymore, motherfuckers the best players itw are not even here, where are Derke, Chronicle, Cned, Nats, zeek, Shao, ardiis, etc... not even here, instead we have Scream who plays like in beta and cant use his brain and h1ber who is insane but doesnt even have t1 experience lmao, only actual top EMEA player at the event are Jamppi, Nivera, hoody and nukkye, and only nukkye is a top5 EMEA player out of these
well Chronicle nAts and Zeek did not qualify, so idk if you can say that. They need to qualify in their own region first. It is undoubtedly true that FPX would be heavy heavy favourites if they made it, but for Acend and Gambit they wouldn't have been at the event.
At Masters Berlin South Korea could not send its 2nd best team due to single elim qualifiers but we didn't make a fuss about it. We just supported F4Q who went in their stead.
idkbro [#30]Not sure about NA but EMEA was just unfortunate:
FPX: Best team in Europe probably cant attend the event
Gambit: Second best team in Europe even if G2 fluked them
Acend: Literally you gotta feel bad for the bad luck these guys have had man, also if zeek had played against bbl they would have won and G2 who are now in upper semis wouldnt even be here, they are coming back strong with vakk and idk the other guy they are signing, I think they are going to be the best together with Gambit and FPX in stage 2Teams at Masters:
Fnatic: Boaster has a shitty system and they are missing their 2 best players, what would loud without aspas and sacy? nothing, so you cant expect more than what they did imo, pretty unfornutate for them
TL: 5th best team in EMEA at best, considering they are playing proper comps, if not, they are maybe even 7th, no IGL + bad coach, this was their last tournament as 5 as sliggy said, they are getting an igl finally so this was not a bad performance although it could have been better for a dead team who is barely top5 in EMEA
G2: The best behind FPX, Gambit and probably new Acend. 5 solid players and a system that works, great coach too, probably top4 EMEA. They are in upper semifinals although they got an easy first match against zeta, the real test will be today against loud, and considering liquid almost beat them and g2 easily beat zeta I think G2 should win this one, also way more experienced than loud, probably the best team in the tournament imoHow is EMEA overrated? How do you expect a continent that is suffering so much shit lately to perform at their best? Simply not mentally there and russian players not being able to attend events because they cant get visas doesnt help, now imagine Gambit, FPX and Acend were here, maybe even Guild with more time, dont know if russian players will be able to attend masters 2 but if they do and Gambit, FPX and Acend make it, you will see if EMEA is overrated or not m8
whoa mama
SweetyMajdoor [#36]NA is overrated but i think EU (carried by CIS) is unlucky this time, due to war and other issues. Next masters gonna be dominated by FPX & Gambit.
carried by CIS, lmao, CIS has insane players but carried is an overstatement considering both Acend who won the first valorant world championship has no CIS players and Liquid who hasnt CIS players either also made Semifinals of the first world championship
SweetyMajdoor [#36]NA is overrated but i think EU (carried by CIS) is unlucky this time, due to war and other issues. Next masters gonna be dominated by FPX & Gambit.
remember when 3 EU (without CIS) got to playoffs during champions? now when they're nerfed, everyone is taking shit on them lol
archetype [#34]well Chronicle nAts and Zeek did not qualify, so idk if you can say that. They need to qualify in their own region first. It is undoubtedly true that FPX would be heavy heavy favourites if they made it, but for Acend and Gambit they wouldn't have been at the event.
At Masters Berlin South Korea could not send its 2nd best team due to single elim qualifiers but we didn't make a fuss about it. We just supported F4Q who went in their stead.
You can still say they are some of the best itw even if they didnt qualify lol, team performance doesnt matter when talking about individuals, thats like saying s1mple wasnt the best player itw when NaVi didnt win shit and Device was the best just because his team was doing better, only thing about talking who the best players are should be impact/individual performance, also eye test lmao, if you can watch nats, chronicle, zeek, cned or this type of players who are proven at international stage too play you can tell they are some of the most individually skilled players itw
idkbro [#39]You can still say they are some of the best itw even if they didnt qualify lol, team performance doesnt matter when talking about individuals, thats like saying s1mple wasnt the best player itw when NaVi didnt win shit and Device was the best just because his team was doing better, only thing about talking who the best players are should be impact/individual performance, also eye test lmao, if you can watch nats, chronicle, zeek, cned or this type of players who are proven at international stage too play you can tell they are some of the most individually skilled players itw
I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm saying those guys need to qualify first lol s1mple at least managed to attend the tournaments
TwinFM [#38]remember when 3 EU (without CIS) got to playoffs during champions? now when they're nerfed, everyone is taking shit on them lol
fnatic is literally carried by derke
archetype [#40]I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm saying those guys need to qualify first lol s1mple at least managed to attend the tournaments
because in cs european teams get all the spots basically, in valorant only 3 teams qualify from the best region which is mad, also wtf is this 12 teams tournament???? also 16 teams only champions??? we are just missing on the opportunity of seeing teams who could do great but maybe got unlucky and didnt qualify, like gambit for masters 2021 in iceland, im sure they would have done better than both liquid and fnatic probably, I dont agree with saying they need to qualify first, its just so hard specially considering how competitive EMEA is, you have a bad day like gambit against g2 and you can lose to anybody, its so unfair for players that they have only 1 chance to qualify for an international event every 3 months and there is only 3 international LANS a year, we will never really see who is the best valorant team with this format just who performed better at the right time.
IMO if we want a more competitive scene and higher level of teams we should have less regions and obviously a 24 slot tournament or a playin phase like challengers stage in csgo, for me the regions should be:
- Europe: open qualifiers where all EU, CIS and Turkey playing in the same qualifier like CS where they united CIS+EU, its a stupid division imo since there is no ping problems or anything they just do it for viewership, expected from riot tho
- Americas: Half the teams qualify from NA and the other half from Latam(keeping the LAN/LAS division for ping reasons) and giving Brazil its own qualifiers instead of having a unified LATAM qualifier so it should be like 50% NA, 25% Brazil and 25% LATAM teams for the event that qualifies you to international LANS
- Asia: APAC North/APAC South + Australia + China, Asia is a hard one because of ping something like this could work imo, all those subregions have qualifiers for a big Asia LAN Challengers event that qualifies to Masters
- MENA: Idk why there is this little interest in developing this region of the world, insane potential, a lot of resources + big potential playerbase that speaks the same language, could be the best region itw if its helped to develop
- South Africa: This one is unreaslistic af probably but there is a good csgo community there so you could give them a slot or something just to at least have some subsaharan african representatives lol
Obviously this is extremely unrealistic because Riot only cares about making esports more regional to secure viewership instead of high quality gameplay which is what a sport should look at but you can expect that from american companies imo, they are more about the spectacle and not the sport, so yeah you cant really say they need to qualify to be considered some of the best players when this format is this unfair tbh
archetype [#34]well Chronicle nAts and Zeek did not qualify, so idk if you can say that. They need to qualify in their own region first. It is undoubtedly true that FPX would be heavy heavy favourites if they made it, but for Acend and Gambit they wouldn't have been at the event.
At Masters Berlin South Korea could not send its 2nd best team due to single elim qualifiers but we didn't make a fuss about it. We just supported F4Q who went in their stead.
Also I think Gambit would be heavy favourites, they looked better than FPX to me honestly, they kinda trolled their groups match against FPX too which would have given them an easy matchup against Liquid to qualify for masters, FPX had some close matches too in groups stage while Gambit was literally destroying every1
SweetyMajdoor [#41]fnatic is literally carried by derke
the guy is born in Finland, has played in Finnish teams since the start of his career in CSGO, he is a finnish product, by your logic vietnam and france carried Sentinels just because that is Tenz ancestry lol
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