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Flerose [#7]https://www.vlr.gg/79516/cned-to-bleed-and-purp0-to-acend-explained
you mean Cned to Bleed ??
Flerose [#7]https://www.vlr.gg/79516/cned-to-bleed-and-purp0-to-acend-explained
and to think people were laughing at you! oh how right you were...
valulrantefanboy [#9]you mean Cned to Bleed ??
#Kiles_is_the_problem_read_my_thread
@valulrantefanboy
https://www.vlr.gg/79542/spanish-pro-players-are-the-crazyracoons-of-eu
shrado [#11]just dm'd purp0, he confirmed it 😳
Fnatic fans always right,. Btw he liked my tweet that i said cned to bleed and him to acend
Flerose [#13]Fnatic fans always right,. Btw he liked my tweet that i said cned to bleed and him to acend
we literally cannot miss
Hewcho [#15]yes its true i can confirm as a acend fan
I'm sorry, but this is the end of the road for you...
GLN321 [#17]Mixwell just said on stream that he joined an egyptian team so probably no. Now I'm guessing that he mistook egypt for singapore and he's the one joining Bleed and not cNed
If he does join Acend however, I want to say that I called it here first: https://www.vlr.gg/post/731767/bleed-paid-7-digits-for-player (check #40)
GLN321 [#17]Mixwell just said on stream that he joined an egyptian team so probably no. Now I'm guessing that he mistook egypt for singapore and he's the one joining Bleed and not cNed
agree
asdfgh [#8]he is their igl makes no sense,probably zeek or kiles
Is there some rule that says igl's cannot be replaced? If anything, to improve, maybe it's their igl that should change since they've seemed lackluster in their decision making.
Vortexy [#20]Is there some rule that says igl's cannot be replaced? If anything, to improve, maybe it's their igl that should change since they've seemed lackluster in their decision making.
Have you been living in a cave? Bonecold is not the issue with Acend lolol
shrado [#10]and to think people were laughing at you! oh how right you were...
They werent laughing about the purp0 part
LouBag [#21]Have you been living in a cave? Bonecold is not the issue with Acend lolol
have you been living under a rock? just look at the stats, he's been a consistent bottom fragger not being able to pull his weight as much as the rest of his team, on top of what seems to be mediocre decision making and lacking decisiveness compared to other igls as of recently. He's gone -42 kill deferential in the last 4 games which is huge.
don't get me wrong. he's a good player. but if I had to choose someone to replace it would definitely be him
Vortexy [#20]Is there some rule that says igl's cannot be replaced? If anything, to improve, maybe it's their igl that should change since they've seemed lackluster in their decision making.
no?,and who tf do you think will igl then,starxo? not in 1000 years he is just not that guy,cned? yeah you can already rule that out,kiles? who has 0 igl experience and he doesnt seem like a leader personality at all,or purp0 who is literally a duelist and probably cant igl either
asdfgh [#24]no?,and who tf do you think will igl then,starxo? not in 1000 years he is just not that guy,cned? yeah you can already rule that out,kiles? who has 0 igl experience and he doesnt seem like a leader personality at all,or purp0 who is literally a duelist and probably cant igl either
huh? you literally said nothing meaningful.
All you did was assume nobody else had shotcalling skills without giving them even a chance.
Vortexy [#26]huh? you literally said nothing meaningful.
All you did was assume nobody else had shotcalling skills without giving them even a chance.
why do you think teams have dedicated igls in the first place,kicking your igl without having a dedicated caller is the most retarded move you can do,either its easy af to call in valo or you just dont understand how difficult igling really is
GLN321 [#28]is this meant to be sarcastic?
no
-42 kills in last 4 games, team has lacked decisiveness and shot calling recently compared to other teams
Vortexy [#23]have you been living under a rock? just look at the stats, he's been a consistent bottom fragger not being able to pull his weight as much as the rest of his team, on top of what seems to be mediocre decision making and lacking decisiveness compared to other igls as of recently. He's gone -42 kill deferential in the last 4 games which is huge.
don't get me wrong. he's a good player. but if I had to choose someone to replace it would definitely be him
Kiles has worse stats
Vortexy [#29]no
-42 kills in last 4 games, team has lacked decisiveness and shot calling recently compared to other teams
yeah bro lets kick the champions winning igl because a rough start of games when one of their players was dealing with mental issues and another one has his family in ukraine dealing with a lot of shit rn. Lets kick him because he went negative in a few games that makes sense.
If purp0 joins acend he will either join as a sub or as a replacement of a player that was bought out. They're not dumb enough to try to break up the major winning roster after three months.
btw stop insta upvoting your posts. its really cringe
asdfgh [#27]why do you think teams have dedicated igls in the first place,kicking your igl without having a dedicated caller is the most retarded move you can do,either its easy af to call in valo or you just dont understand how difficult igling really is
"why do you think teams have dedicated igls in the first place"
I can argue the same and say "why do you think teams have dedicated smokes players in the first place" "why do you think teams have dedicated duelists/entry players in the first place" "why do you think teams have dedicated sentinel players in the first place"
idk what you were trying to accomplish by stating that teams look for igls since teams need players to fill every role.
Furthermore, I've been backing up my arguments with facts and reasoning such as bonecold going -42 kill deferential in the last 4 games and the very obvious lack of shotcalling and decisiveness as proven by them failing to qualify past the group stage as the 2nd lowest team in the group. You've been just stating hypotheticals with 'nobody else can probably igl tho even if we don't give them a chance'
Vortexy [#32]"why do you think teams have dedicated igls in the first place"
I can argue the same and say "why do you think teams have dedicated smokes players in the first place" "why do you think teams have dedicated duelists/entry players in the first place" "why do you think teams have dedicated sentinel players in the first place"
idk what you were trying to accomplish by stating that teams look for igls since teams need players to fill every role.
Furthermore, I've been backing up my arguments with facts and reasoning such as bonecold going -42 kill deferential in the last 4 games and the very obvious lack of shotcalling and decisiveness as proven by them failing to qualify past the group stage as the 2nd lowest team in the group. You've been just stating hypotheticals with 'nobody else can probably igl tho even if we don't give them a chance'
igl is literally not even comparable to just playing a different set of agents,have you ever followed competitive fps in your life,or valorant is just easy af to igl in and almost anyone can do it,in cs multiple teams have done the same mistake off ignorantly trading leadership and calling for more firepower,you cant just "fill" a caller role and expect it to work,also you act like they didnt have internal problems anyway
asdfgh [#33]igl is literally not even comparable to just playing a different set of agents,have you ever followed competitive fps in your life,or valorant is just easy af to igl in and almost anyone can do it,in cs multiple teams have done the same mistake off ignorantly trading leadership and calling for more firepower,you cant just "fill" a caller role and expect it to work,also you act like they didnt have internal problems anyway
again, proves my point, pointless rambling with no actual evidence or reasoning to back yourself up, just plain old rambling on and on completely failing to address the valid points i've been making
GLN321 [#31]yeah bro lets kick the champions winning igl because a rough start of games when one of their players was dealing with mental issues and another one has his family in ukraine dealing with a lot of shit rn. Lets kick him because he went negative in a few games that makes sense.
If purp0 joins acend he will either join as a sub or as a replacement of a player that was bought out. They're not dumb enough to try to break up the major winning roster after three months.
btw stop insta upvoting your posts. its really cringe
not "negative a few games"
very negative for a lot of games, in fact the least consistent fragger on the team for the duration of the teams existence with that roster
moreover what does them winning a tourney got to do now? good job to them, but now evidently things are not working out if you haven't noticed (not surprised if you didn't notice how bad they were performing recently tho)
Vortexy [#35]not "negative a few games"
very negative for a lot of games, in fact the least consistent fragger on the team for the duration of the teams existence with that rostermoreover what does them winning a tourney got to do now? good job to them, but now evidently things are not working out if you haven't noticed (not surprised if you didn't notice how bad they were performing recently tho)
my man really has two accounts to upvote himself LMAOO.
The mere fact that you're judging support players with K/D tells me everything I need to know about your analysis. Also good job completely ignoring my other points.
BTW, he has gone negative in three games since winning champs, idk what's your definition of "a lot"
GLN321 [#25]btw it looks like he has been liking almost every comment without looking into it a lot. He also liked one that said MRS purp0 and another one that said BBL purp0.
Hahahahah man knows how to disappoint theorists
GLN321 [#37]my man really has two accounts to upvote himself LMAOO.
The mere fact that you're judging support players with K/D tells me everything I need to know about your analysis. Also good job completely ignoring my other points.
BTW, he has gone negative in three games since winning champs, idk what's your definition of "a lot"
first of all you don't even need an account to upvote someone, you can still log in as a guest, but regardless of that false logic, no this is my one and only lucky account. Second of all, I noticed how I got downvoted by 2 people at one point, so the only obvious conclusion using your logic must be you have 2 accounts to upvote yourself and downvote others LMAOO.
"good job completely ignoring my other points" - you brought up no valid points whatsoever (except for claiming nobody else on the team could show leadership without even giving them a chance)
"he has gone negative in three games since winning champs" - out of 5 games, that is a lot, and one of them he didnt' even go positive (4 out of 5 games he's not gone positive, last 4 games he's gone -42 kill deferential) In 5 matches alone, that's heck of a lot if you can't tell
"The mere fact that you're judging support players with K/D tells me everything I need to know about your analysis" - I see how you conveniently decided to ignore the fact I mentioned earlier how they've been lacking incredible decisiveness as evident by their 2nd to worse result, not just K/D if you actually read what i wrote even tho it's pretty obvious u didn't
Vortexy [#39]first of all you don't even need an account to upvote someone, you can still log in as a guest, but regardless of that false logic, no this is my one and only lucky account. Second of all, I noticed how I got downvoted by 2 people at one point, so the only obvious conclusion using your logic must be you have 2 accounts to upvote yourself and downvote others LMAOO.
"good job completely ignoring my other points" - you brought up no valid points whatsoever (except for claiming nobody else on the team could show leadership without even giving them a chance)
"he has gone negative in three games since winning champs" - out of 5 games, that is a lot, and one of them he didnt' even go positive (4 out of 5 games he's not gone positive, last 4 games he's gone -42 kill deferential) In 5 matches alone, that's heck of a lot if you can't tell
"The mere fact that you're judging support players with K/D tells me everything I need to know about your analysis" - I see how you conveniently decided to ignore the fact I mentioned earlier how they've been lacking incredible decisiveness as evident by their 2nd to worse result, not just K/D if you actually read what i wrote even tho it's pretty obvious u didn't
1- You're comments spawn with 2 upvotes. It's not that hard to connect the dots genius.
2- you brought up no valid points whatsoever (except for claiming nobody else on the team could show leadership without even giving them a chance) I never ever said this? what the fuck are you smoking? I said they were going through obvious personal issues that clearly affected their performances as stated by the players themselves.
3- Three games isn't a lot, regardless of how many are there in total, it's just too small of a sample size.
4- I didn't leave out the other fact on purpose, K/D has no place in a conversation like this yet you decided to make it your first point, and second, I don't know how you can even judge a team's "decisiveness". What does that even mean? Are you analyzing their play by play as if you had any insight of what they're actually thinking or saying in the voice chat? With what bases can you do such a claim?
asdfgh [#27]why do you think teams have dedicated igls in the first place,kicking your igl without having a dedicated caller is the most retarded move you can do,either its easy af to call in valo or you just dont understand how difficult igling really is
TBH you have the most braindead takes on this site. When Koldamenta was replaced by Zeek in ACEND, was Bonecold a proven IGL? Acend have a really good coach in the form of NBS and Zeek had some experience making calls on G2. Starxo is also a shot caller. It's not like the team necessarily needs Bonecold for them to function well. Their core 3 could perform better with anyone as their teammate.
Why downfrags? The sentinels flair?
GLN321 [#40]1- You're comments spawn with 2 upvotes. It's not that hard to connect the dots genius.
2- you brought up no valid points whatsoever (except for claiming nobody else on the team could show leadership without even giving them a chance) I never ever said this? what the fuck are you smoking? I said they were going through obvious personal issues that clearly affected their performances as stated by the players themselves.
3- Three games isn't a lot, regardless of how many are there in total, it's just too small of a sample size.
4- I didn't leave out the other fact on purpose, K/D has no place in a conversation like this yet you decided to make it your first point, and second, I don't know how you can even judge a team's "decisiveness". What does that even mean? Are you analyzing their play by play as if you had any insight of what they're actually thinking or saying in the voice chat? With what bases can you do such a claim?
wtf are you smoking? can you not read what you write?
"who tf do you think will igl then,starxo? not in 1000 years he is just not that guy,cned? yeah you can already rule that out,kiles? who has 0 igl experience and he doesnt seem like a leader personality at all,or purp0 who is literally a duelist and probably cant igl either"
word for word, you're completely dismissing everyone else without giving them a chance stupid, like seriously, read what you write
literally answered everything above, if you can't read what I'm writing, or even what you're writing yourself, just proves your incompetence
Blazieboy [#41]TBH you have the most braindead takes on this site. When Koldamenta was replaced by Zeek in ACEND, was Bonecold a proven IGL? Acend have a really good coach in the form of NBS and Zeek had some experience making calls on G2. Starxo is also a shot caller. It's not like the team necessarily needs Bonecold for them to function well. Their core 3 could perform better with anyone as their teammate.
Why downfrags? The sentinels flair?
yes he was good, but now, looking at stats and performances with the team having not much fluidity and them not having any success (2nd from bottom in their group), I do think he is the weakest link
Vortexy [#42]wtf are you smoking? can you not read what you write?
"who tf do you think will igl then,starxo? not in 1000 years he is just not that guy,cned? yeah you can already rule that out,kiles? who has 0 igl experience and he doesnt seem like a leader personality at all,or purp0 who is literally a duelist and probably cant igl either"
word for word, you're completely dismissing everyone else without giving them a chance stupid, like seriously, read what you write
literally answered everything above, if you can't read what I'm writing, or even what you're writing yourself, just proves your incompetence
.LMAOOOOOO you mistook me for the other guy. Bit ironic coming from the guy who just told me that it was pretty obvious I didn't read what you wrote. LMAOOO. Also, you still haven't talked about the most important point being their personal issues. Good luck tho everybody makes mistakes
GLN321 [#44].LMAOOOOOO you mistook me for the other guy. Bit ironic coming from the guy who just told me that it was pretty obvious I didn't read what you wrote. LMAOOO. Also, you still haven't talked about the most important point being their personal issues. Good luck tho everybody makes mistakes
F, I thought that was you. dw I did thoroughly read what you wrote, the failed logic was just so similar I thought it was you as well.
Regardless, doesn't change the fact I already addressed all your arguments, with evidence and numbers seen from their performances recently while you've done none of that sort. On top of that, lying and saying i'm making accounts to upvote myself. LMAOO now you got 3 downvotes?? ON TOP of you already upvoting yourself LMAOO. what are you gonna say now, I made 4 accounts to downvote you? LMAOO
Vortexy [#45]F, I thought that was you. dw I did thoroughly read what you wrote, the failed logic was just so similar I thought it was you as well.
Regardless, doesn't change the fact I already addressed all your arguments, with evidence and numbers seen from their performances recently while you've done none of that sort. On top of that, lying and saying i'm making accounts to upvote myself. LMAOO now you got 3 downvotes?? ON TOP of you already upvoting yourself LMAOO. what are you gonna say now, I made 4 accounts to downvote you? LMAOO
Except you still havent adressed my point tho? This is like the fourth time im mentioning it. Go back and actually read what I said pls
Also I dont know why youre going in on the upvotes thing. I havent upvoted myself and I only mentioned it because its pretty obvious to me you have. Either that or you have a minion upvoting you after 20 seconds of posting. It seems to really trigger you and I dont understand why
GLN321 [#46]Except you still havent adressed my point tho? This is like the fourth time im mentioning it. Go back and actually read what I said pls
Also I dont know why youre going in on the upvotes thing. I havent upvoted myself and I only mentioned it because its pretty obvious to me you have. Either that or you have a minion upvoting you after 20 seconds of posting. It seems to really trigger you and I dont understand why
LMAOO 4 downvotes + your own upvote on yourself. So now what? I made 5 accounts to upvote myself?? LMAOO this is comical. Just throwing accusations left and right without evidence.
Ahahaha someone is pissed, I'm not the one triggered you are lmao, I'm not the one lying and saying you're making accounts to upvote yourself without proof
go back and read what I wrote you liar lmao, not even a hint of shame for lying
Vortexy [#47]LMAOO 4 downvotes + your own upvote on yourself. So now what? I made 5 accounts to upvote myself?? LMAOO this is comical. Just throwing accusations left and right without evidence.
Ahahaha someone is pissed, I'm not the one triggered you are lmao, I'm not the one lying and saying you're making accounts to upvote yourself without proof
go back and read what I wrote you liar lmao, not even a hint of shame for lying
Seems like you have lost the plot completely. If you ever want to respond to the actual point then go ahead but for now Ill leave. Btw, if youre not trolling and this is actually you reacting this way I recommend from person to person to log off for a few days to clear your head. Cheers mate
GLN321 [#48]Seems like you have lost the plot completely. If you ever want to respond to the actual point then go ahead but for now Ill leave. Btw, if youre not trolling and this is actually you reacting this way I recommend from person to person to log off for a few days to clear your head. Cheers mate
lmao please do leave. you lost the plot. if you remember (which you probably don't no surprise there) YOU were the one going off topic and and talking nonsense about me making alt accounts to downvote you. What a hypocrite LMAOO says I'm the one going off plot when they're the one talking about things like alt accounts with no evidence. Seems like you can't accept that the majority is against you.
Vortexy [#34]again, proves my point, pointless rambling with no actual evidence or reasoning to back yourself up, just plain old rambling on and on completely failing to address the valid points i've been making
ok tbh i hope they get someone else to call and lead,idk why i said that,now that i think about it you can probably fill the caller role easily with a little practice,i was too dumb to acknowledge your point and now that i think about it they should def kick him it would make them so much better i doubt it would affect them negatively
Blazieboy [#41]TBH you have the most braindead takes on this site. When Koldamenta was replaced by Zeek in ACEND, was Bonecold a proven IGL? Acend have a really good coach in the form of NBS and Zeek had some experience making calls on G2. Starxo is also a shot caller. It's not like the team necessarily needs Bonecold for them to function well. Their core 3 could perform better with anyone as their teammate.
Why downfrags? The sentinels flair?
yes bonecold was a proven igl,also where tf did you get that starxo is a shot caller,but yeah kicking your igl for firepower is sometimes justified and it actually usually works out well,i looked at some cs teams who did it and they ended up becoming better,i hope they kick bonecold tbh,igl role is overrated anyways
asdfgh [#50]ok tbh i hope they get someone else to call and lead,idk why i said that,now that i think about it you can probably fill the caller role easily with a little practice,i was too dumb to acknowledge your point and now that i think about it they should def kick him it would make them so much better i doubt it would affect them negatively
uh... i can't tell if that was supposed to be sarcastic but... <3
asdfgh [#50]ok tbh i hope they get someone else to call and lead,idk why i said that,now that i think about it you can probably fill the caller role easily with a little practice,i was too dumb to acknowledge your point and now that i think about it they should def kick him it would make them so much better i doubt it would affect them negatively
https://www.vlr.gg/81126/acend-bench-bonecold
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Vortexy [#53]https://www.vlr.gg/81126/acend-bench-bonecold
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do you know why they did this,it had nothing to do with his individual performance or calling being bad btw
asdfgh [#54]do you know why they did this,it had nothing to do with his individual performance or calling being bad btw
I would assume the reason was exactly what you just said tbh. As an individual, he was performing pretty poorly, and Acend as a team looked almost leaderless with no sense of decisiveness which they used to once have. (In defense of bonecold tho, poor performances usually end up with someone becoming a scapegoat)
GLN321 [#48]Seems like you have lost the plot completely. If you ever want to respond to the actual point then go ahead but for now Ill leave. Btw, if youre not trolling and this is actually you reacting this way I recommend from person to person to log off for a few days to clear your head. Cheers mate
https://www.vlr.gg/81126/acend-bench-bonecold
oof, someone looks dumb now
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Vortexy [#55]I would assume the reason was exactly what you just said tbh. As an individual, he was performing pretty poorly, and Acend as a team looked almost leaderless with no sense of decisiveness which they used to once have. (In defense of bonecold tho, poor performances usually end up with someone becoming a scapegoat)
that quite literally wasn't the reason,bonecold literally said himself that their team culture and his view of how the game should be played was getting too different from the team which restricted them playing to their strenghts,also kiles is literally worse than bonecold if it was about that he would have been first
asdfgh [#57]that quite literally wasn't the reason,bonecold literally said himself that their team culture and his view of how the game should be played was getting too different from the team which restricted them playing to their strenghts,also kiles is literally worse than bonecold if it was about that he would have been first
Bonecold's individual stats have not been up to par. Regardless of Kiles' performances, his individual performance has not been good. Moreover, Bonecold, as an igl, holds more responsibility than any other member of his team for their recent stretch of bad results. (So simply comparing individual stats is not the way to go, but even if you do, that still makes Bonecold look bad either way.)
"bonecold literally said himself that their team culture and his view of how the game should be played was getting too different from the team"
well there you go, ty for confirming my claims that he was not performing well as an igl since he wasn't able to successfully pass his messages and views on how the team should play well enough to his teammates, which is key for an igl to be able to do effectively
Vortexy [#58]Bonecold's individual stats have not been up to par. Regardless of Kiles' performances, his individual performance has not been good. Moreover, Bonecold, as an igl, holds more responsibility than any other member of his team for their recent stretch of bad results. (So simply comparing individual stats is not the way to go, but even if you do, that still makes Bonecold look bad either way.)
"bonecold literally said himself that their team culture and his view of how the game should be played was getting too different from the team"
well there you go, ty for confirming my claims that he was not performing well as an igl since he wasn't able to successfully pass his messages and views on how the team should play well enough to his teammates, which is key for an igl to be able to do effectively
respectfully do you understand what the word "different" means,the fact they had this internal problem (this was a problem for a long time even in champs) has nothing to do with his calling being bad or individual performance not being good enough for the team,if their core has a completely different view of the game and they are not really having the same vision anymore it obviously creates a problem in the team and affects their performance regardless of how well bonecolds calls, its not bonecolds job to force his own vision on others and try to force to make it work,do you understand that there isnt a "correct" way to play valorant,every igl has their own and it is vital that the team has the same vision aswell and in this case the core didnt,it doesnt mean his way of calling was bad more like there were too much egos and opinions and they needed to make a radical change to make sure they can qualify next time
asdfgh [#59]respectfully do you understand what the word "different" means,the fact they had this internal problem (this was a problem for a long time even in champs) has nothing to do with his calling being bad or individual performance not being good enough for the team,if their core has a completely different view of the game and they are not really having the same vision anymore it obviously creates a problem in the team and affects their performance regardless of how well bonecolds calls, its not bonecolds job to force his own vision on others and try to force to make it work,do you understand that there isnt a "correct" way to play valorant,every igl has their own and it is vital that the team has the same vision aswell and in this case the core didnt,it doesnt mean his way of calling was bad more like there were too much egos and opinions and they needed to make a radical change to make sure they can qualify next time
respectfully, did you even read what I wrote?
yes ik what the word "different' means, do you? I completely understood that he has a different view on how the game should be played. Not that hard to understand.
"has nothing to do with... individual performance not being good enough"
kinda does, if he was fragging insanely and going +20 kills every game or something, I can guarantee you he would not have been benched.
No team will literally say that "playerX has been going negative alot, their kda is bad and therefore we're going to drop them" Instead they'll say something mushy like "Today we part ways with playerX. He has been a key foundational part of our roster since its inception. We wish nothing but success for playerX's future" blah blah blah even if everyone knows they have been individually performing poorly.
Besides that, I agree with everything else you said, since it literally supports my claims.
"if their core has a completely different view of the game and they are not really having the same vision anymore it obviously creates a problem in the team and its not bonecolds job to force his own vision on others and try to force to make it work"
couldn't have put it better myself. If you haven't noticed, I've been basically saying the exact same thing. He cannot manage to effectively have his ideas executed by the rest of the team. Yes I definitely know there is no one 'correct' way to play the game and he has his visions which are totally fine. I even said he's a good player further in this thread to another person, but he is failing to have his visions be implemented well by the team, hence his benching.
Vortexy [#60]respectfully, did you even read what I wrote?
yes ik what the word "different' means, do you? I completely understood that he has a different view on how the game should be played. Not that hard to understand.
"has nothing to do with... individual performance not being good enough"
kinda does, if he was fragging insanely and going +20 kills every game or something, I can guarantee you he would not have been benched.
No team will literally say that "playerX has been going negative alot, their kda is bad and therefore we're going to drop them" Instead they'll say something mushy like "Today we part ways with playerX. He has been a key foundational part of our roster since its inception. We wish nothing but success for playerX's future" blah blah blah even if everyone knows they have been individually performing poorly.
Besides that, I agree with everything else you said, since it literally supports my claims.
"if their core has a completely different view of the game and they are not really having the same vision anymore it obviously creates a problem in the team and its not bonecolds job to force his own vision on others and try to force to make it work"
couldn't have put it better myself. If you haven't noticed, I've been basically saying the exact same thing. He cannot manage to effectively have his ideas executed by the rest of the team. Yes I definitely know there is no one 'correct' way to play the game and he has his visions which are totally fine. I even said he's a good player further in this thread to another person, but he is failing to have his visions be implemented well by the team, hence his benching.
players have literally been benched only for that reason many time in esports just because their view and attiude etc didn't fit the team culture,i dont understand is valorant the first esports you watch???,how can you still make this about how its his personal fault that his opinions and ideas are DIFFERENT to other core players and ,have you maybe considered the fact his ideas were just not the same as the rest of the team and it has nothing to do with him not being able to "effectively have his ideas executed by the rest of the team",do realize the igl is not a robot who just executes ideas and everyone has to agree to them 100% of the time,if there are too many egos and voices on the team it will usually cause problems like this,and again it has nothing to do with personal performance
asdfgh [#62]players have literally been benched only for that reason many time in esports just because their view and attiude etc didn't fit the team culture,i dont understand is valorant the first esports you watch???,how can you still make this about how its his personal fault that his opinions and ideas are DIFFERENT to other core players and ,have you maybe considered the fact his ideas were just not the same as the rest of the team and it has nothing to do with him not being able to "effectively have his ideas executed by the rest of the team",do realize the igl is not a robot who just executes ideas and everyone has to agree to them 100% of the time,if there are too many egos and voices on the team it will usually cause problems like this,and again it has nothing to do with personal performance
off you go on your meaningless rants again.
Here are the facts:
he's been individually not performing well
he has not been able to effectively have his views executed by the rest of the team (like you noted yourself)
nobody said he is at fault, just that he's not meshing well with the team
idk what more of a defense you have for him
Vortexy [#64]off you go on your meaningless rants again.
Here are the facts:
he's been individually not performing well
he has not been able to effectively have his views executed by the rest of the team (like you noted yourself)nobody said he is at fault, just that he's not meshing well with the team
idk what more of a defense you have for him
wdym "defense" this was exactly what i meant lmao,but the main problem wasn't his individual performance if it was the more important reason again kiles would have been cut first and it would have even been the better decision in terms of firepower,bonecold individually was literally not even a liability to his team at all,he actually had a lot of impact frags and wasnt bad at duels too
asdfgh [#67]wdym "defense" this was exactly what i meant lmao,but the main problem wasn't his individual performance if it was the more important reason again kiles would have been cut first and it would have even been the better decision in terms of firepower,bonecold individually was literally not even a liability to his team at all,he actually had a lot of impact frags and wasnt bad at duels too
wdym "wdym "defense" "?
you've been literally defending him blood sweat and tears saying things like its "the most retarded move you can do" if you bench bonecold
BananaBread [#66]Man saw the future looool
I work as a janitor at Acend hq. I was cleaning out a toilet that cned clogged and left hastily behind as he jett dashed over to his pc to buy an op before the round started when I overheard the coach talking on his phone about dropping bonecold in the stall next to me.
Vortexy [#69]wdym "wdym "defense" "?
you've been literally defending him blood sweat and tears saying things like its "the most retarded move you can do" if you bench bonecold
are you fucking braindead i said it would be a retarded decision to bench him because of individual performance witch was your point the whole time
simza [#72]he joined XPLDZ
https://twitter.com/purp03/status/1507001479294595073?s=20&t=_bV5CXZod5dFTNsjit9PAg
Holy, lot of european players on MENA now
simza [#72]he joined XPLDZ
https://twitter.com/purp03/status/1507001479294595073?s=20&t=_bV5CXZod5dFTNsjit9PAg
Well that was unexpected
simza [#72]he joined XPLDZ
https://twitter.com/purp03/status/1507001479294595073?s=20&t=_bV5CXZod5dFTNsjit9PAg
waste of a talent ngl
asdfgh [#71]are you fucking braindead i said it would be a retarded decision to bench him because of individual performance witch was your point the whole time
Wrong you braindead baboon. If you read, I CLEARLY stated the team was lacking leadership and decisiveness in-game as well, the responsibilities which rest on the igl's shoulders to provide solid leadership and guidance (on top of his already poor individual stats). Looks like I wasn't the only one who felt like it since, in case you didn't notice, he got dropped. Literally shows you don't even read what I write and are just trying to ramble on pointlessly without evidence or logic or reasoning, defending this guy like he's some Greek God.
Vortexy [#76]Wrong you braindead baboon. If you read, I CLEARLY stated the team was lacking leadership and decisiveness in-game as well, the responsibilities which rest on the igl's shoulders to provide solid leadership and guidance (on top of his already poor individual stats). Looks like I wasn't the only one who felt like it since, in case you didn't notice, he got dropped. Literally shows you don't even read what I write and are just trying to ramble on pointlessly without evidence or logic or reasoning, defending this guy like he's some Greek God.
it isnt in the igls control in the situation they had, you again completely ignore the real reason why they lacked that decisiveness, you again countinue your meaningless rants about how bonecold should somehow lead a team that has a completely different wiew of the game,how fucking hard is it to understand this situation you still talk about this even tho the reason literally wasn't that he was a bad igl or a individual lmao,you literally dont understand the difference between someone calling bad or being unable to lead and team having too much voices and opinions of HOW they should play the game in general for example and them having different view to bonecold doesnt mean that bonecolds way of leading was wrong or bad
asdfgh [#77]it isnt in the igls control in the situation they had, you again completely ignore the real reason why they lacked that decisiveness, you again countinue your meaningless rants about how bonecold should somehow lead a team that has a completely different wiew of the game,how fucking hard is it to understand this situation you still talk about this even tho the reason literally wasn't that he was a bad igl or a individual lmao,you literally dont understand the difference between someone calling bad or being unable to lead and team having too much voices and opinions of HOW they should play the game in general for example and them having different view to bonecold doesnt mean that bonecolds way of leading was wrong or bad
lmao you're repeating the exact same things to no avail
- his individual stats aren't good enough
- he hasn't been leading his team well (even if it's because he had different views on how to play the game) which shows through their bottom 2 group stage exit
I'll simply repeat the facts myself. You're still yet to give a logical reason to defend him.
Vortexy [#80]lmao you're repeating the exact same things to no avail
- his individual stats aren't good enough
- he hasn't been leading his team well (even if it's because he had different views on how to play the game) which shows through their bottom 2 group stage exit
I'll simply repeat the facts myself. You're still yet to give a logical reason to defend him.
and ill simplu repeat myself,those were not the reasons he was benched,nt tho
Vortexy [#23]have you been living under a rock? just look at the stats, he's been a consistent bottom fragger not being able to pull his weight as much as the rest of his team, on top of what seems to be mediocre decision making and lacking decisiveness compared to other igls as of recently. He's gone -42 kill deferential in the last 4 games which is huge.
don't get me wrong. he's a good player. but if I had to choose someone to replace it would definitely be him
bonecold released you were right
asdfgh [#81]and ill simplu repeat myself,those were not the reasons he was benched,nt tho
Then what was? Lmao, still yet to give me something. NT buddy. The simple fact that he was dropped is kinda telling who’s correct rn.
Vortexy [#83]Then what was? Lmao, still yet to give me something. NT buddy. The simple fact that he was dropped is kinda telling who’s correct rn.
wdym then what was i literally told you the exact reason why he got dropped
asdfgh [#84]wdym then what was i literally told you the exact reason why he got dropped
The fact that he wasn’t sharing the same vision on how to play the game? Yeah that’s exactly my point. He hasn’t been able to successfully igl as you can clearly see because of that, hence his dropping. Besides that statement which literally supports my claims idk what other point you brought up.
Vortexy [#85]The fact that he wasn’t sharing the same vision on how to play the game? Yeah that’s exactly my point. He hasn’t been able to successfully igl as you can clearly see because of that, hence his dropping. Besides that statement which literally supports my claims idk what other point you brought up.
i want you to explain to me what do you personally think "having a different view" or team culture means in a team game,and how is that the individuals fault that they simply disagree with eachother on certain things for example,not that this has nothing to do with his performance or calling and they were dealing with this exact issue at champs,also how would you personally fix that issue as the igl or improve :)
asdfgh [#86]i want you to explain to me what do you personally think "having a different view" or team culture means in a team game,and how is that the individuals fault that they simply disagree with eachother on certain things for example,not that this has nothing to do with his performance or calling and they were dealing with this exact issue at champs,also how would you personally fix that issue as the igl or improve :)
First of all stop asking how it’s that individual’s fault. Nobody said that, I even specified he wasn’t at fault. It’s getting a bit ridiculous by now.
Second, who said they were dealing with the same issue at champs? Metas change, opposing teams improve, the team needs to change as a whole as time passes.
A different view on how to execute their game plans.
I would fix the issue by dropping Bonecold, in case you didn’t notice that’s what I was advocating for. And lo and behold it happens. I think we both know who’s correct. The results speak for themselves.
Vortexy [#88]First of all stop asking how it’s that individual’s fault. Nobody said that, I even specified he wasn’t at fault. It’s getting a bit ridiculous by now.
Second, who said they were dealing with the same issue at champs? Metas change, opposing teams improve, the team needs to change as a whole as time passes.
A different view on how to execute their game plans.
I would fix the issue by dropping Bonecold, in case you didn’t notice that’s what I was advocating for. And lo and behold it happens. I think we both know who’s correct. The results speak for themselves.
so we basically agree on everything,tf is your point lmao
asdfgh [#89]so we basically agree on everything,tf is your point lmao
No, you don't seem to agree with dropping Bonecold apparently saying stuff like it would be "the most retarded move you can do" if you bench him.
Vortexy [#91]No, you don't seem to agree with dropping Bonecold apparently saying stuff like it would be "the most retarded move you can do" if you bench him.
YES FOR THE REASON YOU SAID THEY SHOULD DROP HIM FOR FUCKING IDIOT,NOW THAT I KNOW WHY HE WAS BENCHED IT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION
asdfgh [#92]YES FOR THE REASON YOU SAID THEY SHOULD DROP HIM FOR FUCKING IDIOT,NOW THAT I KNOW WHY HE WAS BENCHED IT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION
lmaoooooo ggez, he was dropped for the exact same reasons I said he should be dropped. You can't beat the great Vortexy with his immaculate logic and reasoning. Try to not cuss others out when you lose an argument tho. You sound like a sore loser lmao
Vortexy [#93]lmaoooooo ggez, he was dropped for the exact same reasons I said he should be dropped. You can't beat the great Vortexy with his immaculate logic and reasoning. Try to not cuss others out when you lose an argument tho. You sound like a sore loser lmao
so because the team wouldnt have worked out with conflicting team culture and views
asdfgh [#94]so because the team wouldnt have worked out with conflicting team culture and views
and how they thought the game should be played. exactly what I said from the beginning that his varying views were not being implemented and executed well by his team.
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