EMEA teams weakness

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Team Liquid: No serious weak links but the weaker players on the team would probably soulcas and nivera despite both being top tier nonetheless
Fnatic: New player is always a gamble, but braveaf seems to be a great pickup on paper
Gambit: 100% d33fo. He isnt onpar with top opers like cned, jamppi and derke
Acend: Botcold lol

other teams are still too early to say

fpx: played in cis so not too sure how they will perform
guild:seems like an eh team

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ciro

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Botcold became a gigachad sova main so no he isnt a weak link anymore

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ngl yeah that was kinda a meme otherwise even bonecold has improved

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the mf transformed, do u guys remember the 100t acend match i was starting to get angry irl when i saw how he threw rounds for free.

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also a deagle demon, he is huge on ecos

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Ngl ScreaM not being able to perform on Jett was a big weakness for Team Liquid in Champions
Yes ScreaM has played Jett really good before that but during Champions it was pretty bad

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number1_ScreaM_fan

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yeah forgot about that. Hopefully it was only a 1 time thing and it was only on breeze really
edit: nup nvm 150 acs is pretty bad

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Scream is shifting to Skye/Reyna full time from what i''ve heard

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dexter000111

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I actually like that change

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ZoldyK

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But looking at his Skye , its more like a Subroza Skye rather than an Ethan Skye
He messes up long flashes and timings were way off in his last stream but because of his aim , he kills everyone whether he is flashed or not

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Low key Skye is a hard agent to play. Guiding those birds is an actual pain in the ass
He'll get good tho he has plenty of time and we all know how hard working team liquid players are

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ciro

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Well its good that he is trying, not too sure it will work but hoping for the best

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Why skye tho? Scream would be better on kayo imo

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Tried that, didn’t work

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that was before the buff when kayo wasn't good

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Yes, but even then you could tell it didn't suit his playstyle. It sounds good in theory, basically being an initiator duelist, he just never seemed comfortable

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D3ffo underrated

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Definitely, it’s super hard to consistently top frag on a team like GMB which is imo the team with the better firepower in the world.

He definitely does what his team needs him to do which is get entries, space, and op. He is not a Jett one trick either

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Jamppi Jett Nivera Chamber ScreaM Reyna => TL Champions

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Looking at the agents ScreaM is playing right now he has played a lot of Skye and Jett in tracker.gg. So I have a feeling he will be playing Flex and maybe Nivera slots onto the Jett because he is a good Oper and ScreaM is not.

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i feel like jamppi might take that role instead unless he decides to stay flex to better help his dueties as igl

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Blazieboy

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But Jamppi is an excellent Sova. He really excels on Sova more than any other agent so he needs to continue that.

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NG1nS

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yeah but he's an opper so jett is suitable

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Giannero

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he's cold on jett as well tho

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Zuqo

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Jamppi has the widest agent pick he plays kj on haven astra on split the guy is crazy

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Maybe Nivera or Jamppi can pick up Chamber so they can OP without Jett

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How braveaf seems like a good pickeup
We know nothing about this guy

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number1_ScreaM_fan

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vlr users hyped him up

i believe in vlr analysts

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you*

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Mortadelo

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They tryouted people like H1ber but still chose him instead

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H1ber is no material for a top global team.

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Ok

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go look at his games in CIS qualifiers, guy is real good mechanically

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Bonecold is a weak link but boaster isnt nice logic

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number1_ScreaM_fan

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ngl yeah that was kinda a meme otherwise even bonecold has improved

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Sikko

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Boaster is a top tier igl and has a huge agent roster, just because he's not mechanically as good as other pros doesn't mean he's the weak link.

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He's not saying that. He's just pointing out the flawed logic of the saying bonecold is weak point when he's mechanically better AND has achieved more as n igl than boaster. Boaster doesn't have to be considered shit for those things to be true.

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nah, i think scream inflexibility is the weakness of liquid, i feel like their comp is build around reyna and reyna is not for every map.

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NG1nS

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scream doean't want to play a team game while cned does

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hekzy

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Nope, just that Jett is more meta than reyna.

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NG1nS

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i'm not talking about the agent pool whether its jett or reyna scream's playstyle is always individual and doesn't rely on team play most of the time

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Bonecold nice bait

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MilanTheMyth

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Liquid: get better map selection logic

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With d3ffo I think his issue is inconsistency. He has been shown to have some of the best rifling in EMEA and has shown amazing performances with the OP in the past. When d3ffo turns it on he is unstoppable. As a Gambit fan who has watched every single one of their recent games. I think d3ffos problem is finding a way to be more consistent and playing with his team more. He is already a great duelist but he has so much more potential. I think to cast away d3ffo as a weak link is unfair; yea he isn’t on the level of duelists like CNED. But I think he can get there. With arguably one of the best coaches in the world, Engh behind them, I think issues d3ffo had in 2021 may just get fixed in 2022.

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d3ffo is very young. Gambit won a masters and came close second in champs at the point he is. He now has experience and a motivation to improve. Don’t count him out just yet.

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Bonecold isn't really Acend's weakness tho, he's the igl so that makes up for poor performance

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ItsHunter

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thats like saying steel wasnt a weak link for 100t cause he was an igl.
Being an igl doesnt give you an excuse to play poorly, take Shahz the man is one of the greatest igls and he is still constantly top 2 in almost all the matches for SEN

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Giannero

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I never said it was an excuse, just saying an igl kinda compensate not being mechanically good by making the team work, so he still does his job

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Bonecold is amazing kiles would be more of a weak link but also not really

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arturo_fdez

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calypso w

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hekzy

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Calypso w?

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CalypsoGHC

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if i am not baiting I only have 200iq takes brother

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NG1nS

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i'm impressed, did u turn 18? what happened to u !?

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Kiles is bad

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CalypsoGHC

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he's the worst in his team but not bad

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NightBeam

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I think most of Sentinels in tier 1 are better than him tbh

Acend should get Paura

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they won champions with the squad. Unless they don't qualify for masters no changes are needed

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NightBeam

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That was a fluke. Gambit just choke.

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cry is free bud

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I dont think deffo is on par with cned sure but he still is insanely cracked, hes def top 10 players in EMEA arguably top 5.
Also he isnt a weak link imo, just because he isnt the top of his role doesnt make him a detriment to the team

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👆

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if acend keep performing like they did in champions there are no weak links for them

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Sometimes they can't find answers on Attacker side. There is 2 halfs in the game, they should play both good.

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You are TL fan of course you say ''no serious weak links'' they lost pretty hard against Acend on LAN, botcold rekt them. TL have a lot of weaknesses

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When d3ffo is your weak link you know you have a Godly squad. Same for Nivera and soulcas.

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i don't think nivera is the weakest link in liquid

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KyLZi

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Me neither, I was just commenting on the original post.

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Bonecold is the best pistol player itw tho, no cap, his ghost is godly.

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his Sheriff is even better imo

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Liquid: their biggest strength is also their biggest weakness. Liquid's constant role-swapping gives them a lot of versatility, but it also means that none of the players are as knowledgeable or practiced with their specific agents/roles.
Fnatic: they play an extremely structured style, even compared to other emea teams. This style leaves them weak against teams that can exploit that structure, such as Sentinels at masters 2.
Gambit: 100% their attacking sides. While they are the best team in the world on defense, their attacking sides have always left something to be desired.
Acend: mental. While they were able to overcome this at champions, Acend is still a team of young and inexperienced players. Mental blocks have stopped them in the past and there is no guarantee that it won't happen again.

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so true gambit's attack vs their defense is like night and day LMAO i wish they fix that for this year

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Bonecold isn't a weak link by any means.
He was nervous as fuck during Masters 3, but he recovered and learned a lot at Champions. He's totally necessary for Acend. It's not all about firepower, that's a rookie mistake.

Also Nivera is cracked and Soulcas is a really good versatile and flex player

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i think Guild or FPX could beat sentinels or cloud9

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Guild yes, not sure about FPX. They still struggled a bit much in CIS qualifier against teams like NAVI, which isn't really SEN or C9 level.

Guild was one of the best EMEA teams before the roster swap. Now they are better and more consistent. They will do really well and surprise a lot of people who sleep on them, like OP

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bonecold is a fucking demon in pistols, i still cant believe the rounds he won in masters and champions

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liquid's weakness are LAN events lol

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kinda true actually

liquid is clearly one of the strongest champion candidates, both in iceland and champions

but they manage to underperform at the crucial moment

really weird

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I think it’s cuz they’re a team with emotional players who don’t have much big game LAN experience (not all of them ofc), so when the shots are hitting, they’re hitting, but when they aren’t it’s a hard block.

Really it’s the only thing for that is time and experience I think

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I don't think they underperformed at champions.

They came in as EMEAs 4th seeded team and only lost to the eventual winners. The joint 4th place team, KRÜ, liquid also easily dismantled. So if you value that, they were the 3rd best team at champs, right where they were supposed to be based on seeding and recent form combined.

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Not really, Liquid can choke at any time, its not specific to LANs

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Liquid:
don't have a good experienced IGL
midround calls are weak
team is predictable in terms of tactics

even sliggy sometimes do bad decisions like playing Bind against ACEND (100% lose on Champions)
Might be fixed by experience, scrims and team work.

Gambit:
Almost no weaknesses
D3ffo will grow and destroy soon, saying you
best team in the World w best coach

Acend:
Only one thing is the firepower maybe? Like Bonecold and Killes. But they are one of the best in terms of team play + have cNed

Others are irrelevant LMAO (before they will prove by qualifying on masters)

P.S. Fnatic just have Boaster an ex cs:go caster or smth like that. Also, other players except Derke are not for tier 1 competition.

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Gambit attack side is defo their weakness and for acend it’s their mental. Once a comeback begins they usually don’t have an answer and play worse