oggie [#2]I really hope they dont add it, it just doesn't work with this type of games. 90% of games are gonna be the first two people locking duelist and someone else locking a 3rd duelist and last person always going smokes. Would just ruin comps and make a lot more people dodge.
This, it should just not let ppl lock agents before everyone selects one
Dota 2 had this system and it’s a game with MUCH more defined and crucial roles and it worked out fine.
If you only play duelist or hate playing anything else… go play halo or cod. We don’t want you here.
Also, people pretending like perfect comps matter in ranked is laughable. Until the very highest ranks your team composition matters so much less than your skill.
LouBag [#4]Dota 2 had this system and it’s a game with MUCH more defined and crucial roles and it worked out fine.
If you only play duelist or hate playing anything else… go play halo or cod. We don’t want you here.
Also, people pretending like perfect comps matter in ranked is laughable. Until the very highest ranks your team composition matters so much less than your skill.
"If you only play duelist or hate playing anything else… go play halo or cod. We don’t want you here."
How do you stop players 1-2 going duelist, then 3 going flex.
Player 4/5 have to go smokes, or sentinel.
It's a system that works in League/dota. In val, it wont work. Rather a role queue or a team browser similar to overwatch would be prefered than this. Cascading is a bandaid that will most likely increase dodging when someone loads as player5, and sees everyone else pick shit other than smokes.
Raevus [#6]"If you only play duelist or hate playing anything else… go play halo or cod. We don’t want you here."
How do you stop players 1-2 going duelist, then 3 going flex.
Player 4/5 have to go smokes, or sentinel.It's a system that works in League/dota. In val, it wont work. Rather a role queue or a team browser similar to overwatch would be prefered than this. Cascading is a bandaid that will most likely increase dodging when someone loads as player5, and sees everyone else pick shit other than smokes.
imo i also believe riot should give you the ability of dodging 2-3 times a day without and offense also personally i like playing smoke characters sometimes and i think cascade picks will force people to not be 1 tricks
oggie [#2]I really hope they dont add it, it just doesn't work with this type of games. 90% of games are gonna be the first two people locking duelist and someone else locking a 3rd duelist and last person always going smokes. Would just ruin comps and make a lot more people dodge.
then add allowed dodges, like 2-3 a day
xiphon [#9]imo i also believe riot should give you the ability of dodging 2-3 times a day without and offense also personally i like playing smoke characters sometimes and i think cascade picks will force people to not be 1 tricks
fuck dodging. If you dodge a ranked ban, no comp for the day. Let people dodge unrated, spike rush, etc. HOwever that system wont work as there's things people can't control (network issues, etc)
I dont mind playing smokes, or sentinel. However I mostly play chamber over other agents. However the cascading system will make people dodge way more often. nothing like loading in as player5, and the other 4 dont pick a smoke, and you dont know how to smoke.
From there you'd either get flamed for not being a good smoke, or you dodge because you dont find it fun.
Rather have a role queue than cascading system. Makes more sense.
Just like in league you pick primary and secondary roles and then make matchmaking find 2 of the same roles maximum on a team and make the rest of the agents unpickable which arent suiting to the roles that u have chosen. Since that will work for only 4 players system will give the last one flex option. For example;
Player1: Chooses duelist/initiator (cant pick other roles than these)
Player2: duelist/controller
Player3: controller/sentinel
Player4: sentinel/initiator
Player5: flex
Vuzy [#12]Just like in league you pick primary and secondary roles and then make matchmaking find 2 of the same roles maximum on a team and make the rest of the agents unpickable which arent suiting to the roles that u have chosen. Since that will work for only 4 players system will give the last one flex option. For example;
Player1: Chooses duelist/initiator (cant pick other roles than these)
Player2: duelist/controller
Player3: controller/sentinel
Player4: sentinel/initiator
Player5: flex
Also again just like in league players will be able to swap their agents (means roles as well) with each other right after selecting phase.
Raevus [#6]"If you only play duelist or hate playing anything else… go play halo or cod. We don’t want you here."
How do you stop players 1-2 going duelist, then 3 going flex.
Player 4/5 have to go smokes, or sentinel.It's a system that works in League/dota. In val, it wont work. Rather a role queue or a team browser similar to overwatch would be prefered than this. Cascading is a bandaid that will most likely increase dodging when someone loads as player5, and sees everyone else pick shit other than smokes.
Nothing wrong with the first 2 people playing duelist… you’ll be one of those people sometimes and then you can play duelist.
Lol the whole point is learning to play and enjoy more than 1 role.
LouBag [#4]Dota 2 had this system and it’s a game with MUCH more defined and crucial roles and it worked out fine.
If you only play duelist or hate playing anything else… go play halo or cod. We don’t want you here.
Also, people pretending like perfect comps matter in ranked is laughable. Until the very highest ranks your team composition matters so much less than your skill.
Why do you think others must want to learn all roles in the game or "we dont want you here"?
Lol just let me mono cypher all day
Raevus [#11]fuck dodging. If you dodge a ranked ban, no comp for the day. Let people dodge unrated, spike rush, etc. HOwever that system wont work as there's things people can't control (network issues, etc)
I dont mind playing smokes, or sentinel. However I mostly play chamber over other agents. However the cascading system will make people dodge way more often. nothing like loading in as player5, and the other 4 dont pick a smoke, and you dont know how to smoke.
From there you'd either get flamed for not being a good smoke, or you dodge because you dont find it fun.
Rather have a role queue than cascading system. Makes more sense.
this is a dumb idea there are multiple reasons people want to dodge a ranked match
1-accidentle q
2-toxic teammates ( racism, sexism or anything else )
3-dont want to play the map rn ( you have 2-3 dodges so its not like people would spam dodge )
and theres even other reasons role queue is one option and it doesnt always work theres also the idea that Vuzy put up of a league system i dont agree with that but its still better than your idea
xiphon [#17]this is a dumb idea there are multiple reasons people want to dodge a ranked match
1-accidentle q
2-toxic teammates ( racism, sexism or anything else )
3-dont want to play the map rn ( you have 2-3 dodges so its not like people would spam dodge )
and theres even other reasons role queue is one option and it doesnt always work theres also the idea that Vuzy put up of a league system i dont agree with that but its still better than your idea
1- accidental queue is shit. i've done it before, and I just played the match out. Some people dodge, personally it's just a bit inconvienient.
2 - You can get toxic teammates in unrated, spike rush, etc. dodging because someone is toxic is also subjective to each person. Not saying being toxic is fine. It's just not a reason to dodge.
3 - this take I hate. You queue into ranked knowing that all maps are in the playlist. you're aware of it, and queue knowing it. I despise split and fracture, but if I get it I hope someone else dodges.
We'll always have map dodgers until a map selection is in, like CS.
role queues can be bad. I dont personally know a system that would be great to work with. Cascading I dont think will work. the only difference in what would change compared to now, is player 5 would be made to play smokes majority of the time. In ranked atm it's pretty much 4 people lock who they want and the 5th has a role to choose that's mostly smokes, from my experience.
the vuzy bit, I haven't seen. If you want alink or anything, I'd appreciate it as I'd like to see what a better system could be.
LouBag [#14]Nothing wrong with the first 2 people playing duelist… you’ll be one of those people sometimes and then you can play duelist.
Lol the whole point is learning to play and enjoy more than 1 role.
it's just nothing would really change from the current system. IF someone instalocks the character you play, what do you do now? do you fill or dodge?
What would change from now, to then?
Raevus [#18]1- accidental queue is shit. i've done it before, and I just played the match out. Some people dodge, personally it's just a bit inconvienient.
2 - You can get toxic teammates in unrated, spike rush, etc. dodging because someone is toxic is also subjective to each person. Not saying being toxic is fine. It's just not a reason to dodge.
3 - this take I hate. You queue into ranked knowing that all maps are in the playlist. you're aware of it, and queue knowing it. I despise split and fracture, but if I get it I hope someone else dodges.
We'll always have map dodgers until a map selection is in, like CS.role queues can be bad. I dont personally know a system that would be great to work with. Cascading I dont think will work. the only difference in what would change compared to now, is player 5 would be made to play smokes majority of the time. In ranked atm it's pretty much 4 people lock who they want and the 5th has a role to choose that's mostly smokes, from my experience.
the vuzy bit, I haven't seen. If you want alink or anything, I'd appreciate it as I'd like to see what a better system could be.
accidental queue is shit. i've done it before, and I just played the match out. Some people dodge, personally it's just a bit inconvienient.
people have places to be, ill be in a 3 stack and gtg, team doesnt know that so i come back and dodge, its just easier to dodge
and not play out a game or go akf when u have places to be, so why should u get penalized for dodging every now and then day
You can get toxic teammates in unrated, spike rush, etc. dodging because someone is toxic is also subjective to each person. Not saying being toxic is fine. It's just not a reason to dodge.
how is it not a reason to dodge, and dont say just mute them bc sometimes then they will trap u, molly u etc and even if they arent its still a bad experience, , so why should u get penalized for dodging 2-3 times a day or less
this take I hate. You queue into ranked knowing that all maps are in the playlist. you're aware of it, and queue knowing it. I despise split and fracture, but if I get it I hope someone else dodges.
i think everyone should learn every map BUT sometimes i just dont want to play a map also you want ppl to dodge so why should they get penalized? im not saying ppl should spam dodge just that you should have a chance to dodge maybe 2-3 times a day without loser rr
xiphon [#20]accidental queue is shit. i've done it before, and I just played the match out. Some people dodge, personally it's just a bit inconvienient.
people have places to be, ill be in a 3 stack and gtg, team doesnt know that so i come back and dodge, its just easier to dodge
and not play out a game or go akf when u have places to be, so why should u get penalized for dodging every now and then dayYou can get toxic teammates in unrated, spike rush, etc. dodging because someone is toxic is also subjective to each person. Not saying being toxic is fine. It's just not a reason to dodge.
how is it not a reason to dodge, and dont say just mute them bc sometimes then they will trap u, molly u etc and even if they arent its still a bad experience, , so why should u get penalized for dodging 2-3 times a day or less
this take I hate. You queue into ranked knowing that all maps are in the playlist. you're aware of it, and queue knowing it. I despise split and fracture, but if I get it I hope someone else dodges.
i think everyone should learn every map BUT sometimes i just dont want to play a map also you want ppl to dodge so why should they get penalized? im not saying ppl should spam dodge just that you should have a chance to dodge maybe 2-3 times a day without loser rr
Not sure how to do the replying format you did, so I'll go with 1-3
1) - This I dont agree with. If you're going afk, or have to go. Just tell your teammates, or alt f4. That's negligance on the players behalf, not any of the ingame systems.
2) - I do agree that toxic teammates can be a reason to dodge. It's a garbage situation, I'm just not a huge fan of dodging. I do agree that some people have the right to dodge if they want. I personally dont, it tilts me off the face of the earth when I get a game with toxic teammates, however I made the commitment to queue a comp match, and due to my personality I'll do my best to stick through it
3) - If people dodge on purpose after queueing into a match, I do believe they shouldn't be able to abuse it. I'm not against a decrease in penalty, I just think 2-3 times a day is too often.
In my opinion, dodging should result in a 1hour comp suspension, max.
I find it dumb that people get consecutive days because they dodge. An hour should be tops for dodging. In that time you can play an unrated, or deathmatch. Whatever you like. I just dislike a 2-3 time a day free from punishment.
The reason I'm fine with others dodging maps and not myself, is due to how I see things. When I queue into a match I'm commiting to upwards of an hour in the match. If I get a garbage map, that's a risk I took and knew of before I queued.
It's the same shit when I order something new from a restaurant that I've never had. Even if I dont really like it, I'll eat the fucker because I took the risk. It's just what my personality is like. I take the risks of my decision and go with it. Some people are fine with dodging, I personally dont do it, and dont condemn people who do. I just dont think it should go unpunished on a daily reset.
A fix to some of the afk moments, etc. Have a accept like in CS. If my friend queue and I have to answer the door, I can't hit Accept, so it's back to queueing.
tldr with what I'd do - I'd say 1 free dodge a day, then after that 30min comp ban, to 1hour comp ban MAX. Anything high I honestly think is really stupid.
Raevus [#21]Not sure how to do the replying format you did, so I'll go with 1-3
1) - This I dont agree with. If you're going afk, or have to go. Just tell your teammates, or alt f4. That's negligance on the players behalf, not any of the ingame systems.
2) - I do agree that toxic teammates can be a reason to dodge. It's a garbage situation, I'm just not a huge fan of dodging. I do agree that some people have the right to dodge if they want. I personally dont, it tilts me off the face of the earth when I get a game with toxic teammates, however I made the commitment to queue a comp match, and due to my personality I'll do my best to stick through it
3) - If people dodge on purpose after queueing into a match, I do believe they shouldn't be able to abuse it. I'm not against a decrease in penalty, I just think 2-3 times a day is too often.
In my opinion, dodging should result in a 1hour comp suspension, max.
I find it dumb that people get consecutive days because they dodge. An hour should be tops for dodging. In that time you can play an unrated, or deathmatch. Whatever you like. I just dislike a 2-3 time a day free from punishment.
The reason I'm fine with others dodging maps and not myself, is due to how I see things. When I queue into a match I'm commiting to upwards of an hour in the match. If I get a garbage map, that's a risk I took and knew of before I queued.
It's the same shit when I order something new from a restaurant that I've never had. Even if I dont really like it, I'll eat the fucker because I took the risk. It's just what my personality is like. I take the risks of my decision and go with it. Some people are fine with dodging, I personally dont do it, and dont condemn people who do. I just dont think it should go unpunished on a daily reset.A fix to some of the afk moments, etc. Have a accept like in CS. If my friend queue and I have to answer the door, I can't hit Accept, so it's back to queueing.
tldr with what I'd do - I'd say 1 free dodge a day, then after that 30min comp ban, to 1hour comp ban MAX. Anything high I honestly think is really stupid.
yea mayb 1-2 im fine with that thats alg i dont think u should lose rr
xiphon [#22]yea mayb 1-2 im fine with that thats alg i dont think u should lose rr
Losing RR I think should only be a thing mid game. In agent select, nah. Mid game, RR loss I'm fine with.
Raevus [#23]Losing RR I think should only be a thing mid game. In agent select, nah. Mid game, RR loss I'm fine with.
also agreed you shouldnt lose for dodging or atleast not ur first two dodges
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