botvi kekw
Cloud
NAVI
|
Jady
NAVI
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
6
9
-3
|
7
20
-13
|
9
8
+1
|
2
6
-4
|
3
5
-2
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
3
11
-8
|
11
9
+2
|
9
9
+0
|
5
6
-1
|
6
11
-5
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
8
11
-3
|
9
18
-9
|
4
10
-6
|
6
5
+1
|
10
8
+2
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
14
13
+1
|
10
6
+4
|
6
5
+1
|
8
8
+0
|
8
12
-4
|
m4xikk
Tact
|
4
14
-10
|
4
12
-8
|
7
13
-6
|
10
7
+3
|
4
9
-5
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
Jady
NAVI
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
1
3
-2
|
1
5
-4
|
3
4
-1
|
1
0
+1
|
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
|
0
1
-1
|
3
2
+1
|
|
0
1
-1
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
2
4
-2
|
2
2
+0
|
0
2
-2
|
1
0
+1
|
2
0
+2
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
1
2
-1
|
0
1
-1
|
|
1
1
+0
|
1
1
+0
|
m4xikk
Tact
|
|
1
2
-1
|
1
7
-6
|
1
1
+0
|
1
0
+1
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
Jady
NAVI
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
1
0
+1
|
|
1
2
-1
|
|
1
0
+1
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
|
m4xikk
Tact
|
|
|
0
3
-3
|
|
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
m4xikk
Tact
|
|
4
|
1
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
36
|
9
|
2
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
|
3
|
2
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
42
|
2
|
0
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
|
7
|
2
|
|
|
1
|
|
1
|
|
|
48
|
4
|
2
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
|
10
|
2
|
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
46
|
4
|
1
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
|
10
|
1
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
1
|
|
60
|
7
|
1
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
6
|
3
|
1
|
|
|
|
1
|
|
|
60
|
2
|
5
|
Duno
NAVI
|
|
6
|
1
|
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
51
|
5
|
2
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
|
6
|
2
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
52
|
0
|
0
|
Jady
NAVI
|
|
9
|
6
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
78
|
0
|
2
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
|
12
|
5
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
67
|
14
|
2
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
Jady
NAVI
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
2
5
-3
|
4
6
-2
|
5
2
+3
|
1
2
-1
|
1
1
+0
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
1
3
-2
|
7
4
+3
|
3
3
+0
|
2
1
+1
|
4
4
+0
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
3
3
+0
|
2
7
-5
|
2
5
-3
|
2
3
-1
|
6
2
+4
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
8
3
+5
|
4
3
+1
|
5
1
+4
|
4
2
+2
|
4
5
-1
|
m4xikk
Tact
|
2
4
-2
|
0
4
-4
|
1
8
-7
|
5
1
+4
|
1
2
-1
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
Jady
NAVI
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
1
2
-1
|
0
2
-2
|
3
1
+2
|
1
0
+1
|
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
0
1
-1
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
|
1
0
+1
|
0
2
-2
|
|
1
0
+1
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
1
0
+1
|
m4xikk
Tact
|
|
0
1
-1
|
0
3
-3
|
0
1
-1
|
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
Jady
NAVI
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
1
0
+1
|
|
1
1
+0
|
|
1
0
+1
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
m4xikk
Tact
|
|
|
0
2
-2
|
|
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
m4xikk
Tact
|
|
1
Round 22
Duno
Cloud
|
1
Round 16
Duno
7ssk7
Cloud
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
27
|
4
|
2
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
|
1
Round 7
7ssk7
Jady
|
2
Round 2
Duno
7ssk7
Jady
Round 3
7ssk7
Cloud
Jady
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
62
|
1
|
0
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
|
5
Round 6
Jady
Duno
Round 9
7ssk7
Jady
Round 10
Jady
7ssk7
Round 11
7ssk7
Duno
Round 15
dinkzj
Jady
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
59
|
1
|
2
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
|
5
Round 11
dinkzj
Cloud
Round 17
Jady
Cloud
Round 18
7ssk7
dinkzj
Round 21
dinkzj
7ssk7
Round 24
Duno
Cloud
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
49
|
1
|
0
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
|
5
Round 2
Cloud
dinkzj
Round 10
dinkzj
Cloud
Round 15
Cloud
Duno
Round 17
Duno
7ssk7
Round 21
Cloud
Duno
|
|
|
1
Round 12
Jady
dinkzj
7ssk7
Cloud
Duno
|
|
|
|
1
Round 12
7ssk7
Duno
Cloud
dinkzj
|
|
71
|
2
|
0
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
4
Round 4
JAMTER
xenp1o
Round 7
m4xikk
xenp1o
Round 9
Quv3n
m4xikk
Round 14
xenp1o
JAMTER
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
57
|
2
|
2
|
Duno
NAVI
|
|
2
Round 6
m4xikk
JAMTER
Round 9
rexxtoned
xenp1o
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
30
|
1
|
0
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
|
3
Round 11
JAMTER
m4xikk
Round 12
m4xikk
xenp1o
Round 19
rexxtoned
xenp1o
|
1
Round 23
m4xikk
rexxtoned
xenp1o
|
1
Round 8
rexxtoned
Quv3n
rexxtoned
m4xikk
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
57
|
0
|
0
|
Jady
NAVI
|
|
5
Round 1
JAMTER
xenp1o
Round 2
rexxtoned
m4xikk
Round 6
rexxtoned
Quv3n
Round 14
Quv3n
rexxtoned
Round 20
m4xikk
rexxtoned
|
1
Round 5
m4xikk
rexxtoned
xenp1o
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
72
|
0
|
0
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
|
3
Round 1
m4xikk
rexxtoned
Round 15
m4xikk
Quv3n
Round 23
JAMTER
Quv3n
|
2
Round 13
Quv3n
xenp1o
m4xikk
Round 22
Quv3n
JAMTER
xenp1o
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
44
|
6
|
1
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
Jady
NAVI
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
2
1
+1
|
0
7
-7
|
2
5
-3
|
0
3
-3
|
0
1
-1
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
1
4
-3
|
3
1
+2
|
5
4
+1
|
3
2
+1
|
2
4
-2
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
1
4
-3
|
5
4
+1
|
2
2
+0
|
2
2
+0
|
3
5
-2
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
5
4
+1
|
2
2
+0
|
1
1
+0
|
4
5
-1
|
2
4
-2
|
m4xikk
Tact
|
0
7
-7
|
2
4
-2
|
1
3
-2
|
2
2
+0
|
1
3
-2
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
Jady
NAVI
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
|
0
1
-1
|
0
3
-3
|
|
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
|
|
2
1
+1
|
|
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
1
2
-1
|
1
0
+1
|
|
1
0
+1
|
1
0
+1
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
m4xikk
Tact
|
|
1
0
+1
|
0
3
-3
|
|
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
Jady
NAVI
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
|
m4xikk
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
m4xikk
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
23
|
0
|
0
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
19
|
1
|
0
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
|
2
Round 2
7ssk7
Duno
Round 16
7ssk7
Cloud
|
2
Round 5
dinkzj
Duno
Jady
Round 15
7ssk7
dinkzj
Jady
|
|
|
1
Round 2
Duno
|
|
1
Round 15
Jady
Cloud
Duno
|
|
|
63
|
3
|
0
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
|
3
Round 2
Jady
dinkzj
Round 5
Cloud
7ssk7
Round 10
Duno
Jady
|
1
Round 16
dinkzj
Jady
Duno
|
|
|
1
Round 16
Duno
|
|
|
|
|
52
|
3
|
1
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
|
4
Round 3
Duno
Cloud
Round 7
Duno
Cloud
Round 9
Duno
Jady
Round 19
7ssk7
dinkzj
|
1
Round 1
Duno
Cloud
dinkzj
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
60
|
2
|
1
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
1
Round 9
JAMTER
xenp1o
|
1
Round 13
JAMTER
xenp1o
rexxtoned
|
1
Round 8
rexxtoned
xenp1o
Quv3n
rexxtoned
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
78
|
0
|
2
|
Duno
NAVI
|
|
3
Round 4
m4xikk
JAMTER
Round 6
JAMTER
rexxtoned
Round 14
m4xikk
Quv3n
|
1
Round 16
Quv3n
JAMTER
xenp1o
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
65
|
1
|
1
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
|
3
Round 10
Quv3n
rexxtoned
Round 14
JAMTER
xenp1o
Round 18
Quv3n
xenp1o
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
48
|
0
|
0
|
Jady
NAVI
|
|
2
Round 1
rexxtoned
m4xikk
Round 3
JAMTER
Quv3n
|
1
Round 15
rexxtoned
Quv3n
JAMTER
|
1
Round 12
rexxtoned
Quv3n
m4xikk
xenp1o
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
65
|
0
|
2
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
|
6
Round 4
rexxtoned
xenp1o
Round 9
rexxtoned
m4xikk
Round 10
xenp1o
JAMTER
Round 13
m4xikk
Quv3n
Round 17
rexxtoned
m4xikk
Round 20
JAMTER
xenp1o
|
1
Round 18
rexxtoned
m4xikk
JAMTER
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
83
|
6
|
0
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
Jady
NAVI
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
2
3
-1
|
3
7
-4
|
2
1
+1
|
1
1
+0
|
2
3
-1
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
1
4
-3
|
1
4
-3
|
1
2
-1
|
0
3
-3
|
0
3
-3
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
4
4
+0
|
2
7
-5
|
0
3
-3
|
2
0
+2
|
1
1
+0
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
1
6
-5
|
4
1
+3
|
0
3
-3
|
0
1
-1
|
2
3
-1
|
m4xikk
Tact
|
2
3
-1
|
2
4
-2
|
5
2
+3
|
3
4
-1
|
2
4
-2
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
Jady
NAVI
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
0
1
-1
|
1
2
-1
|
|
|
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
|
0
1
-1
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
1
2
-1
|
0
2
-2
|
|
|
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
m4xikk
Tact
|
|
0
1
-1
|
1
1
+0
|
1
0
+1
|
1
0
+1
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
Jady
NAVI
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
m4xikk
Tact
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
m4xikk
Tact
|
|
3
Round 5
dinkzj
7ssk7
Round 15
Cloud
7ssk7
Round 16
7ssk7
Duno
|
|
1
Round 4
Duno
Cloud
Jady
7ssk7
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
59
|
5
|
0
|
Quv3n
Tact
|
|
2
Round 3
dinkzj
Duno
Round 8
Jady
Cloud
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
45
|
0
|
0
|
xenp1o
Tact
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
21
|
0
|
0
|
rexxtoned
Tact
|
|
2
Round 3
Cloud
Jady
Round 5
Duno
Cloud
|
1
Round 6
Cloud
Duno
Jady
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
36
|
0
|
0
|
JAMTER
Tact
|
|
1
Round 16
Jady
Cloud
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
50
|
3
|
0
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
|
1
Round 9
rexxtoned
xenp1o
|
2
Round 1
xenp1o
m4xikk
Quv3n
Round 16
xenp1o
m4xikk
JAMTER
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1
Round 16
m4xikk
xenp1o
JAMTER
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44
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0
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1
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Duno
NAVI
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1
Round 15
xenp1o
m4xikk
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1
Round 15
m4xikk
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57
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3
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1
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7ssk7
NAVI
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1
Round 14
m4xikk
rexxtoned
JAMTER
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51
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0
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0
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Jady
NAVI
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2
Round 12
Quv3n
rexxtoned
Round 17
rexxtoned
xenp1o
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4
Round 2
m4xikk
Quv3n
rexxtoned
Round 7
Quv3n
rexxtoned
m4xikk
Round 10
rexxtoned
xenp1o
JAMTER
Round 18
m4xikk
Quv3n
xenp1o
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98
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0
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0
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Cloud
NAVI
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3
Round 4
xenp1o
JAMTER
Round 11
xenp1o
JAMTER
Round 15
Quv3n
rexxtoned
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2
Round 13
rexxtoned
xenp1o
JAMTER
Round 17
Quv3n
m4xikk
JAMTER
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75
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2
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1
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I'm just going to copy-paste what I said in previous Navi matchups
-Icebox: switch Duno and Cloud roles. Cloud take Sova and Duno IGLs while on Sage. Don't let Duno IGL as Sova. Jady could pick Sova as well but he is farming with his Kayo. Clouds potential is wasted playing Sage here.
-Haven: no more Skye for Cloud here. Navi needs a Sova and it is his opportunity and the necessity of the team for Cloud to pick Sova. Same as with Icebox, Jady could pick Sova as well but that would imply Jady not playing Kayo again
-Ascent: seems fine
-Bind: seems kinda fine (?) + a switch between Cloud (Sova) and Jady (Kayo) could work as well. Also, I don't like 7ssk7's Jett here. I wish I see a Raze from Cloud here in the future
-Breeze: pls don't let Duno IGL while on Sova... Stick Cloud/Jady to Sova and let Duno IGL on Viper. That would free Jady to play Kayo here and not Viper
-Split: again, let Jady pick a more offensive agent like Kayo here. Plus, I don't think Skye is optimal here at all
-Fracture: didn't see Navi here yet
Sage on Icebox = trade player, same goes for kay/o in this particular agent composition, you enter the site after jett and you must kill everyone whom jett couldn't handle, of course place a wall too
Which literally means that the guy playing sage on this map must have sick aiming skills
Duno and sick aiming skills = oxymoron
That's why they have Cloud playing it
Yeah that's a good take and I partially agree but I think of Sage more as a wall-bot agent than a specific trade agent in this map.
Duno could still take the Sage role and just be accompanied by a 3rd player when entering sites and retaking, so the team doesn't depend of Duno's ability to refrag and/or trade. That's why I think Cloud is being wasted on Sage
I mean look at Dino's performance as Sova on Icebox, Navi urgently needs to do something about that as it is clearly not paying off
Bro the only possible solution is -duno -dinkzj both, sign sentinel talent like vo0kashu (not saying it should be him) and sova talent like 1ndra, there are plenty of gems in CIS who could bring Navi to new level
I swear EVEN IF Navi proceed to EMEA League, they will be 6th in the group, sent to relegation, and knocked out by the likes of Tenstar / Vitality who will grind VRL circuits this entire time (to be honest both Tenstar and Vitality are already better than Navi, EU just doesn't have enough slots)
Navi will NOT achieve anything with Duno and dinkzj
Ага да. Также говорили про гамбит когда их собирали (мол как 4 из 5 дуэлист плэеров смогут играть вместе. Как делить роли. Состав говно и т.п.). Потом когда на редгара меняли много кто ныл (почему не взяли нормального IGL).
Вы сначала дайте хотя бы пол года/сезон им поиграть и сыграться. Дайте Мише привыкнуть к роли и наработать игру.
+Вы не можете знать как у них это все работает внутри. Может им удобно чтобы стреляли 3 основных игрока, а 2 других делали необходимую для этих килов работу и выходили хотя бы в 1 КДА.