Most hated player

#38

Raevus

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11:00 - 17:00 work hours

17:30 - 23:30 steam 1
00:00 - 07:00 stream 2
07:30 - 10:30 stream 3

That was an example on how stream changes can still work alongside work hours.

I also didn't say they're practicing with 4 people while a 5th is streaming.
I spoke about how shahzam tends to stream late at night, and into the early mornings. Tenz streams a couple hours in the evening, and sick usually streams in the mornings, and SicK tends to stream in the afternoon.

This is also during their downtime, which I can only assume. Just going back through his old videos, past 12 days or so ago he streamed like 6 or 7 times in 2 months, according to the recorded vods. That was during event time, where only shahzam was constantly streaming.

My point is, we dont know what their daily schedule is like during event time, and even on downtime where there's no events. We dont know how they adjust their stream times around their work schedule. People just assume that them losing against teams is because they stream more than others.

Also would you rather have someone who just going to pracc, then doesn't play the game outside of scrims? So pretty much fl0ppy when he was on C9. Rather someone play the game outside of pracc, than not.

#41

kristof

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doesnt matter bro bcz they are not practising anyway
theres always a person who is streaming from the team. they cant practice with 4 people all 5 of them have to be present
also playing that much ranked will build bad habbits…

#43

Raevus

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These aren't guys who would get bad habits from ranked bro. They have 10-20thousand hours in tac fps games, they already have their habits cemented in them. s1mple streaming fpl against t3 players. Must build bad habits bro. Beoulo on siege streaming for the past 5 years, built a lot of bad habits to being one of the best players in the game. Wardell streaming nearly every day or two yet still being one of the most consistant Jetts in this game, with one of the best FK/FD ratios.

ranked builds bad habits for people who're still learning and adjusting to the game. someone who already knows what they're doing, they know how to separate ranked and competitive. It's the same shit with people who played sports growing up, and did it at a higher level. I played rugby for my county in the UK, when I palyed it at school every week, did I get bad habits? nope. Because you separate the two from eachother.

Also with them not practicing at all. Show me streamstats during a qual stage. so oct-dec. i'd genuinly like to see if they had 1 of the five players streaming every hour of the day.

Here's some stats aswell. for the past 3 months, here's the average stream time for each of the players of sen.

sick - 2 hours a day 180 total hours
Shahzam - 6 hours a day 543 total hours
Tenz - 1.3 hours a day 118 total hours
Dapr - 0.93 hours a day 84.4 total horus
ZombZ - 0.93 hours a day 84.5 total hours

Those are averages over the past 90days, which includes a month of offtime.

So they're not constantly streaming either. Only person who has a constant stream, is shahzam. Which from his performance at Champions, as an igl. Was hardly the issue, considering he was their best performing player.

*edit - typo

#49

kristof

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valorant is way different than all the other tac fps games bro so it doesnt matter how much hour they have in other games bro. s1mple streams cs twice a week at the best bro and not more than 4-5 hours bro. i stopped reading when u said wardell is the most consistent jett in the game bro cuz i got headache

#53

Raevus

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I didn't say he is the most consistent, good reading comprehension. Are you going to tell me that Wardell is inconsistent on Jett?

Valorant isn't that different from CS. Good habits from CS, transfered onto Val. It's why Cs pros have the edge right now. It's why the top players all have experience in tac fps games similar to cs and val.

When people ahve over 10-20k hours competing at a high level in a game with similar mechanics, they have good habits cemented into them. Bad habits mostly form on players who're still learning and growing.

On stream TenZ used to bunnyhop around trying to 1tap people. Can't remember seeing that at berlin, iceland, or champions. Odd.

#56

kristof

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bro stop trying to explain me that practise is not needed and streaming ranked only is enough. ur clearly stupid…
btw yes wardell is inconsistent, overrated and bad.

#58

Raevus

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I'm not saiyng practice isn't needed, you clown.

I'm saying Shahzam streaming is by far not the reason they lost. Are you trying to say Kru only beat them because Shahzam was streaming, and not because they were a better team?

you're calling me stupid, but you dont understand simple sentences. You were saying Sen stream constantly and never practice. How do you know they dont practice? Because they stream in their downtime? forgot you're the manager bro, my bad.

My whole point of everything is, streaming isn't the reason they lost. People should honestly stop using it as an excuse. they lost to the better team, that's it.

Also shahzam was the only one who streamed more than 150 hours, but was the best on the team.

Also please show stats about anything you're saying. because clearly everything you say anecdotal, and moronic at best.

You use stream stats in off season to push a narrative that Sen dont scrim or practice. you say this without any stats, saying the stream after eachother, without any evidence for anything.
If you show me proof, I'll admit I'm wrong.

In regards to the wardell being inconsistent, no shot. Him being overrated, yes. Him being bad, nope.

I dont even think wardell is the best Jett, or in the top5. One thing I will say is he's by far not a bad Jett, and he is by far consistent on Jett.

Also please just use google translate on my messages. You thought I said practice isn't needed when my whole point is that streaming being the reason Sen lost, is an excuse, and they still pracc outside of streaming.
If they can get to champs and compete against other teams without scrimming. Then they're the most talented individuals on the planet across every esports.

#60

kristof

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yes bro them streaming all they is exactly the reason why they are losing. shahzam dont give a fk about strats, teamwork and the results cuz he only cares about his stream. its obvious and everyone see they are not practising cuz they are streaming all the time. even when they are in eu they are streaming everyday

#62

Raevus

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How do you know that he doesn't care about strats, or teamwork?

They lost two games, to two teams who went to semi finals. Like what do you want from them, another flawless event?
they've lost 3 matches against teams from outside their region. that track record isn't as bad as you think.

So instead of saying Liquid, or Kru were the better team at champions, you're going to find excuses on why they lost? they lost because Kru was better, and liquid was better. That's it.

We dont know what times Sen practice, we dont know what time they vod review. We're not part of their team, and shouldn't act like we have all the inside information regarding it. They know the reason why they lost, and they'll try to fix what mistakes the made. That's what professional teams do.

Like I'm genuinly curious. If shahzam played ranked as much as he does now, but off stream. Would you care?

also when he was in EU, he was streaming at like 1am, while some of his teammates were asleep.

#63

kristof

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shahzam doesnt care cuz hes streaming and not practising bro its that simple(thats like the 4th time im saying this but you still cant understand it) kru got top 4 cuz they got the easiest team in the quarter-finals bro. if they got anyone else they would have went home immediately

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