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#63
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shahzam doesnt care cuz hes streaming and not practising bro its that simple(thats like the 4th time im saying this but you still cant understand it) kru got top 4 cuz they got the easiest team in the quarter-finals bro. if they got anyone else they would have went home immediately

#64
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you're saying shahzam isn't practicing, but not showing proof bro.

the past month after champs is downtime for nearly every single team. It's most likely like that until a week or two before they start challangers.
It's why SicK, who barely streamed throughout november and december started streaming. If they're having a short break before their main even they participate in.
Why dont you shit on nats for not winning champions, because he streamed 125hours the past 3 months.

because them streaming isn't as big of an influence as you think. If people in other games can stream every day, while keeping a dynasty team ongoing, being regarded as the best player in the game. Why do you think it's either one or the other?
I'm not even saying streaming has 0 influence on it. i'm saying it's not the main reason they lost.

Also saying KRU got the easiest team, and any other would kick them out. They lost 18-16 against gambit to go to the finals. They hard arguable the hardest group, and defied odds to go to main stage.
They also didn't even have the easiest team in QF. Fnatic beat c9, who were in qf, you still had secret, and xcrit. All fantastic teams, but not really considered better than Fnatic at the time.

The reason I mention about the him not pracicing, is because WE DONT KNOW WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS. They could scrim at 3am for all we know. We're not a part of the team, so we dont know what's going on inside it. That's what I'm trying to get through to you.
Everything we're saying is assumptions, with 0 facts. Even what I'm saying is assumptions. I'm assuming they're practicing when they're not streaming(not in downtime inbetween events), and you're assuming they never practice at all, even during events.

We dont know the inner working of their teams. They could scrim 9am-2pm for all we know. Shahzam tends to stream around 3pm PST, so they could scrim before that. I dont know. i'm not their manager, and neither are you.

People saying the only reason they lost is because they stream, is just clueless. the better team won. Them streaming 10hours wasn't an issue when they won iceland, so why is it an issue now. they lost 2 games at the largest event of the year, against the best teams in the world. It's hardly a fall from grace.

#69
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the proof is on his twitch bro. how can he practice when hes streaming 12 hours a day and his team is also streaming all day even when hes not on? u keep saying streaming isnt as big of an influence as i think but everything says otherwise. nats is the only one player who is consistently streaming from the team.hes only streaming 3-4 hours and beside that they are practising hard and they got 2nd place in champions and sentinels got 12th so dont compare gambit to sentinels.
cloud 9, secret and x10 were all 2nd seed teams idiot. kru was seed 2 to as well. fnatic was by far the easiest team that kru could have gotten.
im not saying they never practice but practising 1 or 2 hours is basically nothing and clearly not enough on a professional level… just look at their streaming schedule and it will be clear that its impossible to squeeze a normal practice in…

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DO YOU KNOW WHAT OFFTIME IS.
Do football players keep going to daily and weekly practice during off season, instead of going on holiday or relaxing for a few weeks? At school did we study in summer holidays, or do teachers not have holidays between academic years?

Why does asuna stream every other day. why does s0m stream, why did mixwell, nukkye, nats, all stream for the past month.

Because it's off time between events bro. Their next even starts in 3 weeks. Teams dont scrim 365days of the year. They have a break between events to unwind. It's common in every esport. It's why Astralis pick and chose what events to go to. It's why NAVI skipped an event last year. To have a break from constantly playing a game.

I got a question. Do you honestly believe that fnatic at champions, was worse than x10, secret, and cloud9? You mention how they were 2nd seed from groups, while fnatic was 1st seed, winning their group stage. So how do you rate a team that won LB groups, over one that won UB groups?

The point with knowing their schedule. We dont know how many hours they're scrimming. If shahzam streams 11hours, that's 13 hours left in the day. Take way 6-8, you have 5-7 hours spare. Take away another hour for eatting, shower, etc. That's 4-6hours.

We dont know what they do with the rest of their day. We dont know what their whole daily plan is.
We dont know if he scrims for 5 hours in the morning, then goes and streams, then sleeps. We dont know each players lives.

You say his whole team is streaming while he's not on. Show me stats of them streaming when he's not during november, and december.
his team on average streams like 2 hours a day, while he's on 6. That's an average over the past 3 months.

you also diminish what KRU achieved, despite nearly knocking out gambit, going to 5x OT against them on final map.

#73
kristof
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it doesnt matter if its offtime bro cuz shahzam and the other sentinels players are streaming the same amount during the season as well…
reading comprehension bro. i said fnatic was seed 1 and kru is seed 2 cuz u thought kru could have got cloud9, secret and x10 as opponent in the quarter-finals. if fnatic got x10 and gambit kru both kru and x10 would have went home immediately.
u cant calculate shahzam’s day like that bro because his teammates are streaming too so you have to take away that time aswell bcz shahzam cant practise alone idiot…

#82
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I'll admit I misinterpreted your point about the seedings and fnatic being the easier group. That's my bad, you were right with that one, I was wrong.

Here's the teams stream stats of november until 6th december where they were kicked out of champs.

Zombs: 5 days : 17.2 hours
TenZ: 10 days : 36.6 hours
Dapr: 8 days : 22.8 hours
SicK: 8 days : 31.6
Shahzam: 27 days : 166.2 hours

In terms of times - time period 01/11/2021 - 06/12/2021 - 5 weeks
Week1
4/5 of them had streams started at 01:00am for UTC time zone. Shahzam is the only one who started around 10pm UTC

Week 2:
Shahzam earlier is 8pm, the rest around 10pm - 1am
Tenz, Dapr, zombs all 1-2am starts
Sick - 4-6pm starts

Week 3:
Shahz - 4am, 9pm starts
Sick, dapr, zombs didn't stream
Tenz - 4am

Week 4: Week of going to EU - the 2pm was an off day as they were playing ranked, even against other pro teams at the time.
TenZ - 2pm, 4pm, 4am
Shahz - 2pm, then 6-10pm starts
Dapr - 2pm , and 8pm stars
Sick - didn't stream

Week 5 - Week of event
Shahz - 8pm+ starts
Dapr - 11pm + starts
Tenz, zombs, sick didnt stream

*sources
https://twitchtracker.com/shahzam/streams#duration
https://twitchtracker.com/sick_cs/streams#duration
https://twitchtracker.com/tenz/streams#duration
https://twitchtracker.com/dapr/streams
https://twitchtracker.com/zombs/streams

That's a rundown of stream starting times, in UTC time(website wont let me change to NA timezones :/ unlucko)

So even by that, their streams tend to overlap more often than not. that's their streams leading upto the biggest event. I will admit that shahz streams far more than his teammates. However it also shows that there are times where they have enough time to scrim, as they're all off stream at a similar time period.

This is what I mean by proof. Find factual statistics to back up your claim that they dont scrim, or practice. I'm fine with people shit talking teams, at least back up your points and admit if you're wrong. If I fuck up somewhere, I admit to it. If I try to make a point, I'd try to research my point to make sure I can back up what I say.

If the forum system was a bit better, I could have layed out the whole time slot thing a lot easier to read, and easier to present.

#85
kristof
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they should’ve spent those precious hours to practice or do something more valuable instead of fucking around in ranked, maybe they would have perfomed better. even if the team have only one person who streams more than needed and dont care as much, everyone gonna suffer from it not just that one person(that one person is the igl btw who arguably the most important person in the team) all the NA teams started practicing and scrimming already in 2022 while sentinels are still streaming bro. they clearly dont learn from their mistakes.

#89
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They could still be scrimming is the point. No team scrims for insane amount of time. You act like the team sentinels lost to are nobodies.
Liquid being one of the best teams in EU, and KRU. Then again, KRU were apparently a fluke in this event for some reason, despite showing that they can compete with the best.
They lost two games, at the highest skill ceiling tournament in the world. There were upsets everywhere in that event, so why are we acting like KRU is some T3 team who just got lucky beating some of the worlds best teams.
Was Sentinels run in iceland lucky, or was it them outclassing everyone? Did gambit just get lucky in Berlin masters and have a fluke, then having the easiest bracket run through champs? No. They deserved their spot, and played to keep it. They were also 1 round away from being kicked up by KRU. So if Gambit is EMEA's 2nd best team, KRU managed to fight toe and toe against them. At least give the team the respect they deserved from that showing.

Even their streams now tend to follow the same time pattern.
Shahz - 9-10pm start
zombs - 3-4am start
tenz - 4am
sick - 6-7pm
dapr - 4pm on saturday, then 5-7pm with a 7am start

their streaming times even now aren't that different from before. So we dont know when they prac. Shahzam for all we know could scrim 6 hours, then stream for 11. We dont know what he does when he's not streaming.

We also can't make assumptions regarding it. If they do make the same mistakes, and it becomes a habit, then something will change. Until then, it's not proven to be a direct cause to the teams decline in performance. Hell, their performance at champs was perfectly fine. Both matches they lost were 13-11 13-11 13-10 14-12. Those were the maps they lost in their two loss matches.
It's the same with fnatic at iceland. they may have lost to Sen 3-0, but each map was neck to neck and could have swung either way.
Acting like sen fell from being No.1 straight to t3 just because of two losses, is asinine. Teams have bad events, it happens. Sen didn't deserve to go through groups, KRU and Liquid did. That's all there is to it.

#92
kristof
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im not saying kru fluked the event but everytime they faced against a big team they lost(stop acting like sentinels got eliminated by the best team in the world).liquid 2-0d them, gambit 2-1d them, doesnt matter if gambit is struggled bcz they struggling against everyone recently. acend 13-0 them before champions.also gambit was lucky cuz they got an easy group with tier 2 brazilians and asian teams(vikings almost knocked them into the lower bracket) and in the playoffs they had to play against x10 and kru.
noone considers sentinels and fnatic as big as liquid gambit and acend(only bias people). stop bringing up tournaments from a year ago when sentinels pulled the biggest fluke in vct history.

#66
rishu004
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dude u r just dumb. u just need a reason to hate others.

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