How can we buff old agents?

For example: Brimstone, Omen, Phoenix..

Personally, I'd make brimstone have global presence. I think his kit is already good for post plant scenarios. Brimstone being able to smoke any where on the map, will probably make him a fantastic agent.

I feel like Omen needs his kit to be faster.

I've never played phoenix tbh. So I don't know.

Pocket [#2]

Personally, I'd make brimstone have global presence. I think his kit is already good for post plant scenarios. Brimstone being able to smoke any where on the map, will probably make him a fantastic agent.

I feel like Omen needs his kit to be faster.

I've never played phoenix tbh. So I don't know.

Omen's kit was faster but Riot nerfed it :(

we don't need all agents to be S tier tbf, agents like Brim Omen Phoenix still get picked by players in ranked/casual. Just like League/Dota/R6/OW not all agents need to be buffed for being S tier or be used in pro matches

sumihiro [#3]

Omen's kit was faster but Riot nerfed it :(

Rip Omen. They honestly need his kit to be faster.

brimstone needs global presence would be really nice, maybe replace stim beacon with something useful

omen just needs to not be clunky as fuck, make smoking more efficient, tps faster and possibly make the sound of it quieter

phoenix literally needs a rework, id rather pick yoru

Pocket [#2]

Personally, I'd make brimstone have global presence. I think his kit is already good for post plant scenarios. Brimstone being able to smoke any where on the map, will probably make him a fantastic agent.

I feel like Omen needs his kit to be faster.

I've never played phoenix tbh. So I don't know.

I feel like making Brim have full map range with his smokes makes him so much better than Omen, but giving him a little bit less range than Omen smokes (like 75% of Omen's range) could make him viable in maps he's never picked on, like Split and Fracture for example. (he would still be below Astra's pickrate on those maps). Brim doesn't need to be a top tier agent, just being at Omen's level would be ok, not even Viper bc she's a situational sentinel/controller.

Omen doesn't need a buff imo, not even making his kit faster would be necessary 'cause he's not that hard to use rn.

And about Phoenix I've made a whole remake idea on another thread.

brim - rework stim for an ability that can help set up teammates
omen - cd of smokes reduced, make kit faster
(nerf astra)
phoenix - there was a thread about him earlier

Brimstone:

SKY SMOKES: Global presence for placing smokes
STIM BEACON: Instead of being some placeble ability, it could be like Kay/o's ult (Getting out from him with but with the same range it already has)
INCENDIARY: Already good, no changes needed
ORBITAL STRIKE: Already good, no changes needed

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Omen:

DARK COVER: Travel speed relacionated with the distance of placement of the smoke [if goes 25% of the distance bar, increase speed in 25% (Or something like that)]
SHROUDED STEP: Just a little bit faster and the place you aim the tp, sometimes are different of the real position that you go (It's just broke, just need to fix it)
PARANOIA: Don't affect allies, that's enough (just like Reyna's Eyes)
FROM THE SHADOWS: Already good, no changes needed

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Phoenix

HOT HANDS: Healing 12.5 HP/s up to 13.5 or 14 HP/s and some burning effect for enemies (-1.25 or 1.5 HP/s for 5s)
BLAZE: Healing 6.25 HP/s up to 7.5 or 8 HP/s and some burning effect for enemies (-2 HP/s for 5s)
CURVEBALL: Equip speed up 25%
RUN IT BACK: Instead of 10s, increse it to 13s

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I think that's enough! Thoughts?

phnx - rework
Brim - wider smokes , with longer duration of both smokes and molly
Omen - the "not there" voice

DELUSIONAL_LAKIA_FAN [#6]

brimstone needs global presence would be really nice, maybe replace stim beacon with something useful

omen just needs to not be clunky as fuck, make smoking more efficient, tps faster and possibly make the sound of it quieter

phoenix literally needs a rework, id rather pick yoru

what about a landmine instead of stim beacon which stuns you and does like 30 dmg or something

Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#11]

what about a landmine instead of stim beacon which stuns you and does like 30 dmg or something

this would make brim a must pick in solo-q, as he could cover flanks and be your controller, as well as having incredibly strong post-plant.

for brim's smokes more range and "STIM BEACON" replaced with some antimolly shit (for defend to counter postplant for attack to faster approach). Or dont even replace just give for stim beacon second passive antimolly effect on that zone
for omen's smokes + speed and make recharge 30 sec, ult 6 points
for breach make astra's system . u just buying 5 charges (but 1 and only one can reload for 40 sec) so u can mb use aftershock on start and then after 40-60 sec use it second time or u can flash per round more than 2 times (for compete with skye), also some sound effect if enemy stanned (like skyes berds) cause every initiator have "e ability" that give u info but that guy dont have it. This will make him useful not only on start of round but also in late round
for phoenix make flash like yoru's, wall more damage for enemy and less bullt damage through the wall by bullets like if its tree wall, no animation for comeback (so phoenix can abuse ult in fight and take 1 headshot and still be alive) and phoenix in ult 10-15% faster

give them all jett dashes
i only care about brim so here is how to buff him
-Reduce the price of his molly to 200
-give him 2 smokes and make his smokes regenerate every 45 seconds
-stim beacon only helps him out not his teammates
-ult does more damage and molly lasts longer

FERETON [#7]

I feel like making Brim have full map range with his smokes makes him so much better than Omen, but giving him a little bit less range than Omen smokes (like 75% of Omen's range) could make him viable in maps he's never picked on, like Split and Fracture for example. (he would still be below Astra's pickrate on those maps). Brim doesn't need to be a top tier agent, just being at Omen's level would be ok, not even Viper bc she's a situational sentinel/controller.

Omen doesn't need a buff imo, not even making his kit faster would be necessary 'cause he's not that hard to use rn.

And about Phoenix I've made a whole remake idea on another thread.

I'm pretty sure Fracture is already one of Brimstones best maps. Gambit plays him on Fracture and he was picked a decent amount in the RedBull tournament.

Pocket [#2]

Personally, I'd make brimstone have global presence. I think his kit is already good for post plant scenarios. Brimstone being able to smoke any where on the map, will probably make him a fantastic agent.

I feel like Omen needs his kit to be faster.

I've never played phoenix tbh. So I don't know.

how about a movement speed boost for his allies when they are inside the stim beacon. it could make them a harder target when counter strafing

Rubrik_Duck [#12]

this would make brim a must pick in solo-q, as he could cover flanks and be your controller, as well as having incredibly strong post-plant.

i mean astra can literally do that in a way and much more

kbkdark [#9]

Brimstone:

SKY SMOKES: Global presence for placing smokes
STIM BEACON: Instead of being some placeble ability, it could be like Kay/o's ult (Getting out from him with but with the same range it already has)
INCENDIARY: Already good, no changes needed
ORBITAL STRIKE: Already good, no changes needed

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Omen:

DARK COVER: Travel speed relacionated with the distance of placement of the smoke [if goes 25% of the distance bar, increase speed in 25% (Or something like that)]
SHROUDED STEP: Just a little bit faster and the place you aim the tp, sometimes are different of the real position that you go (It's just broke, just need to fix it)
PARANOIA: Don't affect allies, that's enough (just like Reyna's Eyes)
FROM THE SHADOWS: Already good, no changes needed

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Phoenix

HOT HANDS: Healing 12.5 HP/s up to 13.5 or 14 HP/s and some burning effect for enemies (-1.25 or 1.5 HP/s for 5s)
BLAZE: Healing 6.25 HP/s up to 7.5 or 8 HP/s and some burning effect for enemies (-2 HP/s for 5s)
CURVEBALL: Equip speed up 25%
RUN IT BACK: Instead of 10s, increse it to 13s

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I think that's enough! Thoughts?

20s for pheonix ult too high, maybe like 12

emraaa [#15]

I'm pretty sure Fracture is already one of Brimstones best maps. Gambit plays him on Fracture and he was picked a decent amount in the RedBull tournament.

Ofc it is, but Astra and Viper get picked a lot more (my bad I didn't meant "never picked" on Fracture, only on Split). I was talking from a casual player approach, not a competitive one. Mostly bc competitive play changes around the meta and sometimes defines it, while casual/ranked players play what they feel comfortable with, they're not trying to master Brim on Fracture like Gambit does.

Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#18]

20s for pheonix ult too high, maybe like 12

Yeah... thinking a little bit more about it... I think 15 would be the maximum

but 13s is the best one (between 10s and 15s)

If Phoenix wall had an effect like the thinnest physical wall on the materials that would reduce the damage a little bit?