I don't get why people hate on KR by calling them overrated or bad in general. Kr has had the best performance throughout the year other than EU and NA (3rd in Iceland and VS 2-0 Acend and the only team to take a map off GMB in playoffs). Sure they underperformed in Champions, but if we use that context you could say SEA & LATAM>NA which is not true.
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Ibis [#2]Its just an overhyped region, where only 1 team is dominant what everyone considered top 3 ahead of every event. Though they never delivered. Saying facts is not hate
NU was the one who reached 3rd in Iceland not VS (since ur talking about 1 team being good). And that doesn't deny my point because other than NA and EU, Kr has had the best results which literally means they are a top 3 region
People don't hate KR. People just think they are overrated. Currently they only have 1 internationally competitive team that could do decently, but got eliminated in groups last time they played. And pls don't bring Nuturn here when Iceland was played ages ago and when none of the Korean teams could make it out of APAC LCQ. VS only won over shaky looking Acend (Masters 3 Acend was shaky say whatever you want), and won over some SEA teams. That's it. They haven't proved anything yet and some people still think they are good.
patuj [#14]People don't hate KR. People just think they are overrated. Currently they only have 1 internationally competitive team that could do decently, but got eliminated in groups last time they played. And pls don't bring Nuturn here when Iceland was played ages ago and when none of the Korean teams could make it out of APAC LCQ. VS only won over shaky looking Acend (Masters 3 Acend was shaky say whatever you want), and won over some SEA teams. That's it. They haven't proved anything yet and some people still think they are good.
I hope u realise nats literally said in an interview coming into masters 3 VS was their biggest threat. And using the excuse of acend being shaky u could say VS were shaky this tournament as well. 'they haven't proved anything' they've proved more than every other region.
patuj [#14]People don't hate KR. People just think they are overrated. Currently they only have 1 internationally competitive team that could do decently, but got eliminated in groups last time they played. And pls don't bring Nuturn here when Iceland was played ages ago and when none of the Korean teams could make it out of APAC LCQ. VS only won over shaky looking Acend (Masters 3 Acend was shaky say whatever you want), and won over some SEA teams. That's it. They haven't proved anything yet and some people still think they are good.
'Iceland was long ago' we are talking about region performance so it's very valid. that's like saying BR isnt the the best nation at football because they haven't won a WC in years. Don't even bring lcq into this lmao. do you really think an online tournament which hosts the entirety of apac with soem teams reaching 60+ ping is a legitimate indicator of which teams are better.
jimjam789 [#3]To the incoming BR trolls: talk when you reach quarterfinals
VK would have made it to semis
jimjam789 [#16]'Iceland was long ago' we are talking about region performance so it's very valid. that's like saying BR isnt the the best nation at football because they haven't won a WC in years. Don't even bring lcq into this lmao. do you really think an online tournament which hosts the entirety of apac with soem teams reaching 60+ ping is a legitimate indicator of which teams are better.
Oh 60 ping? How is that possible. This never happens in EMEA never!! People always play with 10 ping max! All Turkey, Russia, and Europe always max 10 ping all time!
jimjam789 [#15]I hope u realise nats literally said in an interview coming into masters 3 VS was their biggest threat. And using the excuse of acend being shaky u could say VS were shaky this tournament as well. 'they haven't proved anything' they've proved more than every other region.
That doesn't mean shit. Ofc VS were supposed to be big threat when they were THE team from Korea and when they are apparently good scrim team. But couldn't deliver in actual matches. And how tf have they proved more than every other region? I would say even SEA has proved more so far. Maybe more than Brazil and Japan for sure.
patuj [#19]Oh 60 ping? How is that possible. This never happens in EMEA never!! People always play with 10 ping max! All Turkey, Russia, and Europe always max 10 ping all time!
I don't like defending GE but they literally disconnected from their match against PRX at one point I'm pre sure. and Asia is 4x the size of Europe so larger distance
patuj [#20]That doesn't mean shit. Ofc VS were supposed to be big threat when they were THE team from Korea and when they are apparently good scrim team. But couldn't deliver in actual matches. And how tf have they proved more than every other region? I would say even SEA has proved more so far. Maybe more than Brazil and Japan for sure.
How has sea proved anything when their best performance ever is quarter-finals? and nats said this after bootcamping and scrims and what not. u still haven't rebutted that VS were the only team to take a map in playoffs and they did that very comfortably
patuj [#20]That doesn't mean shit. Ofc VS were supposed to be big threat when they were THE team from Korea and when they are apparently good scrim team. But couldn't deliver in actual matches. And how tf have they proved more than every other region? I would say even SEA has proved more so far. Maybe more than Brazil and Japan for sure.
to add to the sea point, sea scrims with kr a lot right. teams like prx have stated VS to be the best team they've ever played and TS dupstep put VS as a top 2 team. clearly VS > sea teams
jimjam789 [#6]NU was the one who reached 3rd in Iceland not VS (since ur talking about 1 team being good). And that doesn't deny my point because other than NA and EU, Kr has had the best results which literally means they are a top 3 region
no hate to KR regions, but I think V1 should've finished them off but just couldn't. if they were to lose to V1, I think they would've lost to FNATIC
jimjam789 [#22]How has sea proved anything when their best performance ever is quarter-finals? and nats said this after bootcamping and scrims and what not. u still haven't rebutted that VS were the only team to take a map in playoffs and they did that very comfortably
bro VS only performance is QF too... VS had 1 semi decent showing and people were really saying they could take champions... no one hates KR it's just they are overrated as fuck
jimjam789 [#16]'Iceland was long ago' we are talking about region performance so it's very valid. that's like saying BR isnt the the best nation at football because they haven't won a WC in years. Don't even bring lcq into this lmao. do you really think an online tournament which hosts the entirety of apac with soem teams reaching 60+ ping is a legitimate indicator of which teams are better.
not valid at all NA were kings in Iceland now look at them, worse than SEA
FightWasTaken [#25]bro VS only performance is QF too... VS had 1 semi decent showing and people were really saying they could take champions... no one hates KR it's just they are overrated as fuck
did u read my post? the greatest achievement kr has had so far is 3rd in Iceland. and 2-0ing ace (#1 emea seed) + map off GMB is more than a decent showing. they simply got matched with the future Berlin's masters.
FightWasTaken [#25]bro VS only performance is QF too... VS had 1 semi decent showing and people were really saying they could take champions... no one hates KR it's just they are overrated as fuck
and don't compare X10 taking a map off to VS taking a map off. masters 3 Berlin was way more dominant then champions. even Viking took a map off GMB in champions
jimjam789 [#27]did u read my post? the greatest achievement kr has had so far is 3rd in Iceland. and 2-0ing ace (#1 emea seed) + map off GMB is more than a decent showing. they simply got matched with the future Berlin's masters.
who fnatic and clown9?
shrado [#17]VK would have made it to semis
yes 0-2 to x10C in the elimination match and 0-2 to KRU in decider
jimjam789 [#28]and don't compare X10 taking a map off to VS taking a map off. masters 3 Berlin was way more dominant then champions. even Viking took a map off GMB in champions
ok and? Vikings have best initiator in the world... but nah VS so amazing when they bombed out in groups only better than first time LAN FS XDDD
FightWasTaken [#29]who fnatic and clown9?
are you dumb? can u not piece things together? I'm obviosuly taking about GMB in the context of masters 3. another victim of the aus dysfunctional education department 🤣
FightWasTaken [#31]ok and? Vikings have best initiator in the world... but nah VS so amazing when they bombed out in groups only better than first time LAN FS XDDD
ah right praising BR in order bring KR down LOL. Viking got 2-0ed by TS. And guess what TS dubstep said about VS. that VS is a top 2 team in the world (they scrim each other often)
jimjam789 [#32]are you dumb? can u not piece things together? I'm obviosuly taking about GMB in the context of masters 3. another victim of the aus dysfunctional education department 🤣
who even cares about M3 that is one tournament. in the most important tournament of the year simply they did worse than SEA and were hyped up to the 1st in their group. what's your excuse for their performance at champions? tons of Lan on stage experience at Korea challengers tons of scrims but still couldn't even make it out of groups. what a good team
jimjam789 [#33]ah right praising BR in order bring KR down LOL. Viking got 2-0ed by TS. And guess what TS dubstep said about VS. that VS is a top 2 team in the world (they scrim each other often)
so they are top 2 in scrims but can't make it out of group stage
FightWasTaken [#35]so they are top 2 in scrims but can't make it out of group stage
are you forgetting what this is all about. X10 is not nearly as impressive as VS. why? because their only feat is beating NV.
FightWasTaken [#34]who even cares about M3 that is one tournament. in the most important tournament of the year simply they did worse than SEA and were hyped up to the 1st in their group. what's your excuse for their performance at champions? tons of Lan on stage experience at Korea challengers tons of scrims but still couldn't even make it out of groups. what a good team
hey lemme ask u a question. which region is better na or LATAM and sea
FightWasTaken [#34]who even cares about M3 that is one tournament. in the most important tournament of the year simply they did worse than SEA and were hyped up to the 1st in their group. what's your excuse for their performance at champions? tons of Lan on stage experience at Korea challengers tons of scrims but still couldn't even make it out of groups. what a good team
'that is 1 tournament' same could be said about champions. it's just 1 tournament. that's that's I'm looking at the VCT year as a whole and KR has performed 3rd best region 🤯
jimjam789 [#38]hey lemme ask u a question. which region is better na or LATAM and sea
LATAM (KRU) better than sea and na
jimjam789 [#40]'that is 1 tournament' same could be said about champions. it's just 1 tournament. that's that's I'm looking at the VCT year as a whole and KR has performed 3rd best region 🤯
lol are you really trying to imply that champions can be compared to the other events. it's champions. all teams should bring their A game. all teams should play their best. apparently VS are good at scrimming right? ultimately VS couldn't perform when it mattered most. NUturn just doesn't exist anymore.
jimjam789 [#6]NU was the one who reached 3rd in Iceland not VS (since ur talking about 1 team being good). And that doesn't deny my point because other than NA and EU, Kr has had the best results which literally means they are a top 3 region
Iceland was an easy tournament
jimjam789 [#10]OCE would wipe india lmao
why you talking trash lmao OCE aint shit never even played internationally fucking trash region KEKW
jimjam789 [#37]are you forgetting what this is all about. X10 is not nearly as impressive as VS. why? because their only feat is beating NV.
of course taking a map of GMB when that is the same exact thing that you are boasting about VS is just not impressive for X10. just stop the double standards.. X10 is arguably more impressive since they performed like this in the most important tournament.
FightWasTaken [#43]lol are you really trying to imply that champions can be compared to the other events. it's champions. all teams should bring their A game. all teams should play their best. apparently VS are good at scrimming right? ultimately VS couldn't perform when it mattered most. NUturn just doesn't exist anymore.
aee you implying teams didn't bring their best to masters as well? lemme guess they were 'saving their strats'. 'nuturn doesn't exist' well pati literally left valorant so there goes X10 and SEA so ur sea>kr agruement doesn't make sense
jimjam789 [#42]is sea better than na?
yes. 2 sea teams in groups 1 na team in groups 0 KR team in groups
onlyfax [#9]Didnt want to say this but India is cheeks. Losing in their own organized tournaments to unsigned apac teams. Straight cheeks
its called gaining experience mater India never went international except CSGO and it died because of WORD.EXE give em a minute and they will clap yo mama's cheeks
FightWasTaken [#46]of course taking a map of GMB when that is the same exact thing that you are boasting about VS is just not impressive for X10. just stop the double standards.. X10 is arguably more impressive since they performed like this in the most important tournament.
it is not the exact same thing wtf. literally every team took a map off GMB even the shit ones. in masters they did not drop a single map in playoffs other than VS. that means GMB was so much better than every other team at the time and only VS could be compared. to put it in simple terms which is more impressive beating a team with 67% winrste or like 90% winrate
FightWasTaken [#48]yes. 2 sea teams in groups 1 na team in groups 0 KR team in groups
oh so then how is x10 feats impressive? after all their best feat is beating a #2 seed from one of the worst regions which NA now apparsntly is. in other words x10 have done nothing special. so now ur agruement on x10 and SEA is flawed as they technically haven't done anything
jimjam789 [#51]it is not the exact same thing wtf. literally every team took a map off GMB even the shit ones. in masters they did not drop a single map in playoffs other than VS. that means GMB was so much better than every other team at the time and only VS could be compared. to put it in simple terms which is more impressive beating a team with 67% winrste or like 90% winrate
yeah because every other team is getting better, (except vision strikers apparently) and if they took a map against the grand finalists they are not shit. and 100t literally beat GMB can they be compared? any team that made groups this tournament is better than vision strikers and it's really as simple as that.. they could only beat full sense
Ibis [#2]Its just an overhyped region, where only 1 team is dominant what everyone considered top 3 ahead of every event. Though they never delivered. Saying facts is not hate
downvoted for being right sadly they beat a good emea team once and everyone though they were gods
jimjam789 [#53]oh so then how is x10 feats impressive? after all their best feat is beating a #2 seed from one of the worst regions which NA now apparsntly is. in other words x10 have done nothing special. so now ur agruement on x10 and SEA is flawed as they technically haven't done anything
it's impressive because they made it to playoffs unlike vision strikers
FightWasTaken [#54]yeah because every other team is getting better, (except vision strikers apparently) and if they took a map against the grand finalists they are not shit. and 100t literally beat GMB can they be compared? any team that made groups this tournament is better than vision strikers and it's really as simple as that.. they could only beat full sense
that is my point tho. every team got better which means taking a map off isn't special as it was back then. u literally jsut agreed with my point. you can't use the 'only the present matters not the past' argument cuz x10 lost pati which means they are nowhere near as good. u can't use the 'champions is a better way of measuring region strength' anymore the same way masters 3 results don't matter because 'it's only 1 tournament'
jimjam789 [#6]NU was the one who reached 3rd in Iceland not VS (since ur talking about 1 team being good). And that doesn't deny my point because other than NA and EU, Kr has had the best results which literally means they are a top 3 region
When you watch the games back, it just looked like NU were in flow state and hitting their shots. Their strats were horrible and V1 were just getting killed rather than team diff'd.
FightWasTaken [#56]it's impressive because they made it to playoffs unlike vision strikers
the first time sea has ever made the playoffs unlike kr. 'oh bbbbbut recent results matter more 🤓' pati left x10 therefore the most recent thing rn is sea is on shambles. therefore VS>X10 as of recent. therefore kr>sea. thx helping my point
RickyIndian [#58]When you watch the games back, it just looked like NU were in flow state and hitting their shots. Their strats were horrible and V1 were just getting killed rather than team diff'd.
not at all..KR is literally known for strats. ima be honest right here any region except Japan > kr in terms of aim. I'm not sure u rmemeber but their executes with the breach+raze on A was so easy and free for them. their haven was god awful tho if that's what u mean
Demise [#49]its called gaining experience mater India never went international except CSGO and it died because of WORD.EXE give em a minute and they will clap yo mama's cheeks
common north korean W
onlyfax [#7]Peoples minds are swayed too easily. One win this one loss that.
That’s what it’s like in the early stages of this game
In a year or two we’ll know what regions are consistently best and hopefully stop relying so heavily on recency bias
jimjam789 [#27]did u read my post? the greatest achievement kr has had so far is 3rd in Iceland. and 2-0ing ace (#1 emea seed) + map off GMB is more than a decent showing. they simply got matched with the future Berlin's masters.
Acend was EMEA #3 seed...
jimjam789 [#10]OCE would wipe india lmao
bro...no offense but my OCE ranked experience was bad af, I was imm2 playing on 120 ping and their mid imm was bad...just horrible plus were also racist, idk about any OCE pro teams but their immortal lobby was like SEA plat which is not very promising
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