It's serious and impressive how the Europeans and North Americans are incredibly against the BR and still try to belittle the region where all this hate comes from?
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Why are other regions toxic against BRs?
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It was always us against them. EU and NA just feel superior to underdevolped countires, and when we face them and beat them at something, they just turno to hate. There's nothing else they can do, even more on videgames, they are much more advanced technology wise and still lose. They are richer, they have better salary, better PCs, better orgs, better competition, better economy and still lose, what else is left besides hate? They don't hate other developed countires, because there's no reason. The starting line is the same. It's ok to lose to them since they have equal oportunity, but lose to us? It's an outrage, they can't accept, everything that is left is hate. That's the real reason.
I feel sorry for you reading this because you seem to suffer a bit from that situation.
But i can't stand with the whole thing you say. In the case of Vivo, the cam was hidden (ACEND couldn't see it). This situation already happenned (BREF vs GIANTS), Giants were punished. This use of Cypher cam was known, it was on the list of prohibited-exploit.
So why BR community is making a whole drama out of nothing ? Btw I don't think, the economic issues between NA and BR or EU vs BR are related to the situation IMO.
And beiing sensitive to death treaths is absolutly normal btw. It's a normal reaction and it will never be a "meme" like you said.
I'm not talking about the cam. It was definetly Jhows and the coache's fault. I'm talking about you developed countries always labeling us as community as "toxic" or "annoying" or anything as a jusitification of your preconception. It's not just against us, it's against tukish players, idians, you guys don't even notice what you are doing.
Nobody hates these countries because of their real world development level. It's the fans intereaction why people dislike them
When BBL was top of the TR scene, the people shit talking other eu teams saying Aimdll going to aimdiff KEK, or when SMB was on a rise, they shit talked other teams. Same shti happened in CS with woxic and xantares.
indian people on this website were treated the same way sen/tsm/wardell/tenz fans were treated. They have a good player, and hyped the living fuck out of them.
Nobody hates india because they're an underdeveloped country. People just use that as a way to shit talk.
Nobody gives a fuck about a countries standing. It's fans that amke people dislike a region. Why do you think nobody hates thaii teams? They're an underdeveloped reigon, but nobody hates on them. Why? Because their fans aren't obnoxious. It's why people on CS hate french fans, people on siege dislike NA fans.
It was always us against them. EU and NA just feel superior to underdevolped countires, and when we face them and beat them at something, they just turno to hate. There's nothing else they can do, even more on videgames, they are much more advanced technology wise and still lose. They are richer, they have better salary, better PCs, better orgs, better competition, better economy and still lose, what else is left besides hate? They don't hate other developed countires, because there's no reason. The starting line is the same. It's ok to lose to them since they have equal oportunity, but lose to us? It's an outrage, they can't accept, everything that is left is hate.
what are you on about?
The hate stems from the history that EU/NA/BR has in counter strike.
Where during the Luminosity/SK era BR fans were notoriously toxic, harassing players, staff
and online personalities with death threats. You are either really fucking unintelligent or blatantly ignorant to make this claim.
There are toxic people in every community. Some just think it is okay to go over the line.
But how often do you see threads about Finland fanbase being involved in sending deaths as an example?
Every esport, every time this happens it always comes down to brazilian fans not understanding where to draw the line.
You're saying EU doesn't hate other countries that are developed?. Dude, Eu hates itself. British hate french and german. Nordics argue against eachother. This whole region is a clusterfuck of hating eachother. It has nothing to do with being more developed than another country. Online everyone just shit talks other countries. NA shit talks british teeth, UK shit talks US healthcare, or school shootings. France tries to shit talk UK food, we shit talk their history of surrendering, etc. PEople use what they can to shit talk other countries. It just happens that BRazil is known to other countries for having favelas and high crime rates. So we go for that.
Nah, you guys banter each other, but against underdeveloped countries is not banter, it's frustration, it's hate, it's annoyance. Those are different things. Against Brazil you guys just can't stand the defeat, hell even against turkey, they suffer the same thing. You come up with excuses, you come up with ways to undermine our achievements, you come up with anything to try and justify the loss. It isn't banter.
The hate FR,GER, and Uk have for eachother isn't banter. The amount of hate I've seen thrown around between the three countries is insane. With turkey, peopel just hate when we get turkish players on our servers with 70 ping, when they have their own. Not their fault that in higher elos their servers of dead. I dont blame them for it. Some people do.
that and in EU turkish people are by far the most toxic people I've ran into. In irl they're some of the nicest people I've met. Online they're the opposite.
I haven't had any real interactions with Brazilians, so I've never seen hate go towards it. In siege peop[le used to meme about them because they were behind the meta, and only had one good team. Right now I'd say they're the only region actually worth watching in that game.
Bro, do you play in EU ranked?
Do you run into turkish players online every day you play a game? That's my metric. Although it's anecdotal, every since opinion on any region online is anecdotal, as we dont have any actual statistics.
Also if you go back and read, I know it's hard. I said "IVE RAN INTO" I dont need a metric for personal experience with a group of people I've ran into. I stated it as anecdotal.
Also what is entitled about it? Do I think I'm entitled to something someone else has? no. I'm saying the fact that underdeveloped countries are hated upon because of the economic development, is a push.
People dislike brazillian fans because they sent a 16year old death threats because he railed them in a csgo match. They send death threats to anyone they dont like, or agree with. That's why people dislike them.
Why isn't there a huge hate for south africans? They're not a first world country. They're also the 2nd highest murder capital in the world.
I'm bringing up SA because I was born there, and have never once heard anyone hate on the country because they're not first world.
Just not everything is a real hate for the country. It's the hate for the fans. EU dont hate on underdeveloped countries because they're underdeveloped. They hate on countries because of the fans, and use the countries situation as a base for shit talk. It's done with everyone. EU > Na school shooting NA>EU teeth/ww2 is brought up all the time. EU/NA>RUS putin and slav stereotypes.
Everyone>NA hillbill rednecks. Peoiple use stereotypes that they can think of to shit talk anyone. it's been the nature since the start. Now do they send death threats, no. DO they use a country setting to shit talk, yes. The thing is keeping personal hate separate from general shit talk. From experience Brazillians cant. You guys are literally the kpop fans of the esports world.
There's no south Africa community, they are irrelevant, why would you hate them? You just don't care. Running into some people is now a motive to hate a region? You are just proving me right, the sample size is irrelevant for a general result. You can't say a region is toxic or hate someone based in your own experience wich is irrelevant in the big picture, you just assumed you are prejudiced.
OKay.
South africa might not have a huge esport community. So why dont they get insulted for their country standing in other sports?
Why dont people hate thaiiland? They're not a first world country, much like quite a lot of asia. So why dont people hate on their community for their economic standing?
People dislike the BR community because of the minority of fans who send death threats, and take it too far. The reason I brought up SA, is because nobody gives a fuck how developed a country is. Even in other sports, Rugby, Cricket. Nobody gives a fuck that South Africa is underdeveloped. Hell, even in football nobody in EU dislikes brazil because their region is underdeveloped. Shit, growing up I never heard any hate towards the brazil football team, nothing but love. Just the esport fans are the equivalent of Ronaldo and Messi superfans. A small minority ruin it for the majority.
If I run into a group of people that I have little to no positive experience with, I'll say it's a toxic community. I dont give a fuck if their country is insanely deveveloped like SK or JP. I dont give a fuck if they run pcs in slums like SA. A countries economic standing holds 0 hate. It's just an insult we use against other people.
People in EU talk about poland and romanias economy, we talk about UK with brexit. We literally shit talk with what information we get online. nobody cares if a country has favelas, townships, ghettos, etc. People just use them as insults rather than caring.
You're honestly reading far too much into people shit talking a region. People just shit talk for the sake of it.
I'm not saying there aren't people who have a huge distain for other regions. I've met a few who are xenophobic racist POS, and I cut ties once I heard of that. However not everyone that shit talks Brazil, or India. Have the intention of hating them because they're underdeveloped. To most people a countrys standing is just ammunition for trash talk.
Our turkish brothers know what I'm talking about. "Turkish fans are the most toxic". Bet you get that all the time. But what's the real metric behind that? What's the data they base this kind of comment on? There isn't one, it's just hate. They perceive things in that way, cause they are already hating beforehand.
elitist American and european talks shit
lots of racist and xenophonic shit
brazillians talk back
brazillian get more hate
brazillians start to troll and death threat
Brazilian started getting hate again
They keep doing the same thing expecting to see some brazillian saying it's ashamed to be brazillian.
Its not like Valorant ITSELF isn't toxic at all. Even in the own region server people are toxic, imagine with the other regions. A lot of games made Brazil a different region from LATAM because of the hate that the Spanish speakers and Portuguese speakers have with each other in South America. If KRU plays against FURIA you will see what is really toxicity.
But i think that what hits the most is that they know that we are naturally much more emocional and passionate, and they use this to tilt us out (MOst of them are NA). The racist comments are the worst, and i've seen a lot. I feel bad for this situation, wish it was not like this...
Regional toxicity is becoming too much of a burden. Completely destroys the viewer experience when twitch chat is constantly being spammed with negativity. I just want to support some of the EU teams I like watching but their fans were always so toxic to NA. Definitely goes the same way around and it's just getting worse and worse.
A tldr list of why regions dislike brazillian fans.
Regions banter against eachother, shit talking the country. EU makes ufn of NA gun crimes, and obesity rates. Na makes fun of eu (UK teeth), and food.
What Br does, is send death threats to people personally.
See a different. People talk about about countries, but brazillians decide that's fine to go and send death threats.
Shit talking a country is fine by all means, as it means fuck all. Personalyl wishing someone death because of a video game, is fucking weird. It's why Br has the msot hated fanbase across pretty much every game.
Even with india, people shit talk the country and bring up forsaken. Other than that,they can still shit talk any other country however they want. However they dont send death threats.
with turkish players, in eu they're just the most toxic players you can run into on ranked. irl they're lovely people in my experience. However in diamond-radiant rank, they're toxic as fuck.
the threats are real : https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/gamer-reportedly-kills-rival-posts-video-of-body-online/
There's freaks all around. SOme NA people have done fucked up shit, some EU.
Just people need to see the difference between sending death threats, then playing victim because nobody likes your region. Making excuses like "it's because were a poor country. or underdeveloped" is bullshit. People dont like other regions because of fans. In siege nobody likes EU because their fans were cringy and arrogant. In CS it was BR because they still live in 2017, and also sent death threats to a 16yr old who sent their favorite team to the gutter.
Just people need to see that death threats make things personal. Shit talking someones country is mostly done for the sake of shit talk. Nobody honestly cares about if a country is good or bad. No country in the world is perfect.
EU fans are worst then TR fans wtf are u talking about ? if u want source, just go to hltv.org or just play faceit on csgo. i have 2800 elo on faceit with 1000 matches i have good experince about EU players on fps games. not only CSGO u guys are like this in fps games. if u want another source, then watch NA players's streams when they are in EU.
when smb wins against G2, EU fans are shittalked about paura's girlfriend like "fcking slut,your gf is fcking whore,50 euro for blowjob ?" etc. also that didnt suprise me bcz its a avrg EU fans everyone knows that.
you all live in a fantasy world.
I agree. I dislike a lot EU fans aswell.
Re-read what I typed. I'm saying every region attacks peoples countreis as a way to shit talk. nobody hates ona region because their country is underdeveloped.
I also spoke further up about EU hating on itself. Uk shit talk FR, Fr shit talk uk, we shit talk German, polish, italian, swedish, etc. Everyone shit talks everyone. It's why I'm not treating EU as victims in this whole thing. WE shit talk, we deserve to get shit talked back.
I also mentioned turkish players in ranked, as it was anecdotal to my experience. I haven't had a good experience with them in ranked. In real life, they're amoungst the most chilled people I know. On valorant ranked, I've never had a good experience. It's 100% anecdotal to my experience.
Again, every region is toxic to other regions. Some regions are toxic in their own region. People just can't say that a region is only toxic on another because they're underdeveloped. People hate on regions because teh fans tilt them, so they try to tilt them back.
Oh I agree. EU has so many different counties, cultures, etc. FOr isntance I've ran into far more toxic french players than turkish. Across every game I've ran into more tilting french players than anything.
EU is far worse than the turkish playerbase. This is just the first game I've actually ran into a lot of turkish players., so my pool of experience is limited to valorant. French players ,or even uk players(Fucking hate uk players. Huge egos, for being a hardstuck.). EU overall is by far worse than turkey. I was just talking about why some people dislike turkey. It's nothing to do with the country. Just more to experiences they've had in games.
Have a nice day dude. I do agree with you with everything you said. My whole point is every region is toxic, and nobody cares if a country is actually poor or not. People just use that to shit talk.
I mean I don't really mind brazil and in fact I consider them the 4th best region and find them very entertaining to watch (top 3 is EMEA , NA and KR) but when ur sending death threats to pros who's didn't even make the decision which is actually justified as VK should've known better then its kind of a problem.
SAme. I dont mind the region or the people there. I've played with a few BR guys in mmos. Most of lovely people.
Just they can't really play victim when it comes to shit talking or when it comes to fps games, considering they find it a troll to send death threats.
The ruling with VK is dumb. A replay of the 2nd half should be played, but that's all I can hope for. Just fans can't see things level headed, and just go straight for the attack on a team who didn't even report it, and even said VK deserved the win.
No, Gringo comes literally from Greek that's pronounced Grego in Portuguese, cause when americans tried to speak with Portuguese/Latin speakers they couldn't understand nothing so used the popular phrase "you are speaking Greek to me", "você está falando grego pra mim", so It Just kept modificating until gringo meaned outsider.
as if 95% of the toxicity isn't between na and eu region (mostly as a result of historical cs rivalries and sen's early success), and br isn't even a factor. there's also a reason that JP, KR, SEA, APAC, don't receive any toxicity, because they aren't toxic. it's reciprocal. remember when leaf and co beat mibr? the passionate br fanbase is as toxic as na and eu, except with a bunch of added patriotism bs (same as india). take it if you're gonna give it.
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