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If KRU beat NRG

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#1
KGad03

Are 100T guaranteed #1 seed no matter what happens in the LEV game?

How do 3 way ties work again, is it round diff that takes priority?

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Zerphyr1
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its h2h then its maps then round diffs in a 3 way tie

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Pengu12
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100t beat both so they would get 1st seed I think

#4
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  1. yes
  2. h2h is top priority
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KGad03
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If NRG lose to KRU and 100T lose to LEV, who takes #1 seed then, that's my question

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PP12123213123
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I just checked the map diff. if 100T loses 2-0, LEV would takes #1 seed

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EthanAndBailey
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What if it's 2-1? I'm basically trying to see if Kru can take 1st seed

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dimmed
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Nope, if LEV wins then they'd be first. The only way 100T secure 1st seed is by winning

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Zerphyr1
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how tho? if its a 4 way tie between lev nrg kru and 100t then wouldn't 100t be first off maps and rounds assuming they dont choke a lot of rounds

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n1Lf
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if you lose a game, your gonna have worse rounds and maps.. its kinda LOGIC bro

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Zerphyr1
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r u restarted?? 100t are +21 and +3 on maps whereas lev are +12 and +1 on maps so if they win 1 map then they are tied on maps and so they just gotta make sure they dont lose many rounds

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you should pay attention is school but ill give you benefit of the doubt,

6/5
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100t lose 2-0, its 8/5, 6/5
100t 2-1, 8/6, 7/5

when you also lose rounds, its not only just plus +for the winning team, it also subtracts -from the losing team, lets say you lose 13-6 13-8, so +24 in rounds for lev and +9 in rounds for 100t, but lets say it was closer like, 13-9, 13-10, +19 in rounds for LEV and +14 in rounds for 100T, lord have mercy on you brother

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holy shit no way u are this dumb. the diff is +9 so 100t just can't go down more than 4. so if the scoreline is 13-5, 12-14, 9-13. and 100t loses then 100t have won a total of +2 rounds leaving them with +23 rounds and so they are above lev in rounds and tied on maps. and so in a 4 way tie where 100t loses to lev and nrg loses to kru then 100t would be first even tho they lost to lev.

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you have to pray its a close game in 2 of those maps and your not getting a 13-5 lmfao, i could easily say the same. if LEV win 13-0 and 13-0 we qualify haha. broskie just pray you win the game LOL

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Zerphyr1
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yeah but my point is that its possible for 100t to lose and yet still make first seed which u said was impossible in ur original post

#24
n1Lf
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if you lose a game, your gonna have worse rounds and maps.. its kinda LOGIC bro

help me find the word impossible, i stated the when you lose a game your going to have worse rounds and maps when its that close between 2 teams map diff and round diff, ofc you have to pray for a 11-13 and 11-13 or win map 1/2 dominantly which isnt probable because we have the same map pool as you guys. our bind, haven, lotus are all really good maps for us

#26
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You need a rest, I'm a Pacific fan so I'm a third party and you just got angry for no reason. It's not the same people replying that it's impossible.

Just go rest. I understand your anxiety, but it's better for your mind.

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buddy i dont need random ahh advice from you, it just sounds privlidged and yeah I didnt realise it was the same person so my mistake there but my point still stands since #9 isnt wrong and so why would n1lf give a negative reply in #11 if he didnt disagree?

#19
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why you gotta say that to bro lol

#16
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Based on how I interpreted the tiebreaker rules, since its a 4 way tie with 100T and LEV having head-to-head against 2 of the teams they are tied with, they should be placed in a seperate group subgroup to KRU and NRG, then LEV have head-to-head so I assumed they'd be 1st seed.

  • The following "Subgroup Tie-breaker Rule" will be applied for 3+ Team tie-breakers:
  • If any Team(s) can be clearly ranked highest based on the given criterion (e.g., head-to-head match score), all teams will be split into two subgroups: the top Team(s) and the remaining Team(s). The remaining Teams are treated as one group, even if they are no longer tied under that criterion.
  • A new tiebreaker is then applied from the beginning, based on the number of Teams in each subgroup.
    • Example: In a 4-way tie, if two Teams can be clearly ranked highest using the given criterion, the four Teams will be split into two 2-Team subgroups. Each subgroup will then follow the 2-way tiebreaker process, starting from (1) Head-to-head Match Score.
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yeah when i was thinking about it I wasnt sure if they would do it in rounds where its a subgroup h2h so u seperate teams based on how many h2hs they have won in the tiebracker or if they just sort the tiebracker with the entire context in mind

#25
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If no team clearly beats every other team in the group, the next criteria will be used

There is already an example case in Pacific Stage 1
https://www.vlr.gg/event/2379/vct-2025-pacific-stage-1/group-stage

(subgroup : RRQ TLN T1 NS) RRQ has the best map differential, RRQ #1
(subgroup : TLN T1 NS) TLN defeated both NS and T1, TLN #2
(subgroup : T1 NS) T1 won against NS, T1 #3 and NS #4

#27
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r u basing ur info off that stage 1 tiebracker?? bc there is another method that would end with the same result and its by doing it one by one and so in the 4 way tie bracker there is no clear winner for h2h so it goes to maps, rrq then win first seed from maps. then its a 3 way tiebracker by talon make 2nd seed bc they have clear h2h advantage and then final 2 h2h and t1 has that advantage.

this method is prob wrong but im just wondering if yk this for a fact or ur just basing it off stage 1 pacific

#29
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There was drama during Pacific Stage 1, as the rule and concept of subgroups were explained for the first time due to an NS player starting to complain about it

#23
PP12123213123
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This new rule will only select the best team from the group, meaning you can't pick both 100T and LEV at the same time. The next criterion map diff will be used

#7
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it's your turn my friend KGad03, let's cheer for KRU

#8
KGad03
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I'm gonna be lovewatching Dante and Keznit today

#12
Zerphyr1
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also 3 way tie is impossible, it would be a 4 way tie

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KGad03
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Ok this is what Paraplant said yesterday, shout out to them and upvote their post here: https://www.vlr.gg/531212/americas-and-emea-playoffs

If MIBR beat LOUD, then both of them are out, so in the following scenarios it is assumed that LOUD win
100T beat LEV + NRG beat KRU -> 100T, NRG, KRU, LOUD are in (in order), LEV are out
100T beat LEV + KRU beat NRG -> 100T, KRU, NRG, LOUD are in, LEV are out
LEV beat 100T + NRG beat KRU -> NRG, LEV, 100T, KRU are in, LOUD are out
LEV beat 100T + KRU beat NRG -> LEV, 100T, KRU, NRG are in, LOUD are out

#18
PP12123213123
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There are still some cases that need to consider map diff and round diff, but most normal cases are correct

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