Termi has many significant achievement with same orgs, FrosT have less significant but more impactful achievement with at least three orgs (100T, FURIA, TLN).

Also, both of them suck compared to Jovi. Jovi achievement is Optic 2022, EG 2023, FlyQuest RED 2024. Losing Jovi is more significant than losing FrosT. FrosT and Jovi is good package, so yeah he's a better one since you can get Jovi in the package and it's a mile difference when you get him.

Aspas deserved the win, don't know about MIBR. That you can't deny. What can the man do more to win actually.

APAC is the best region in VCT 2025 for sure, in term of production and teams. Only thing worse than any region is the trophy.

Please shut up and tell me who is on the thumbnail. That team has 85% of winning the match. The scriptwriter cooked yesterday so likely today too with 15% of them trolling us.

Please specify me which year because I don't want to remember this post if you mean 2027 up.

Simple:

• to bend without breaking
• to change something slightly
• to make it more suitable for a particular situation
• to show that you are very proud or happy about something you have done or something you own, usually in a way that annoys people
• (a length of) wire with a plastic cover used for connecting a piece of electrical equipment to a supply of electricity

That's not mine actually. That's just Cambridge's.

This bait is surely for Megalodon.

I'll be real. I kept analyze why these two hate each other. The correlation between their life. Their career. The fandom. Everything. Overall, one thing remains. I think these two are too similar that they can't accept each other by the cells.

First, hear me out. FrosT and Termi are both innovators. They are someone who cooked something up. The "comp" designer. These two are different than analytical coaches such as Sliggy, Mini, or Jovi. The analytical coaches input are more significant in-game since they tends to directly affect the player while innovator coach are more focuses on the macro-stuffs.

Second, they are both blunt. If you are not new DRX fan you'll surely remember 2023's DRX. Then you have 2024 TLN. Too much changes. These guys don't care what is right but to do what they think is right. And it show in their interactions.

Third, they have same belief over the game. You can see both of them have similar gameplan, similar macros. Even their infamous timeout belief is the same.

You can even find more similarity. The more I looked, the more I realize they are similar person with different background. That difference create this inherent hatred for each other. Sometimes you don't like those who are too similar to you, and that led into what is now the beef.

Overall, I think it's ironic. Even if they hate each other to the bones, their team are the proof of each other's potential. That's why TLN or DRX fans can't exactly say their eternal enemy suck since they used too similar of a system, it'll mean your team suck too. That's why this beef will be legendary if continue.

It was termi who said a korean team did it against DRX. It is him. "We are the victim of one actually."

It was not proven though. Might need to ask him which team since both TLN and DRX likely have the same target. Both organizations know but the personal beefs are more serious for both coaches than their jobs. This is why the situation is stupid.

To be sane and speak silly truth? I think this is pretty mild compared to other fans though.

PRX fans all have hospital number in their phone. SEN fans all have worse mental than kid and want to be coach.
EDG fans all have to wonder if their decision is right.
TH fans all have to experience roller-coaster when high is low and low is high.

Overall, pretty mild when you looks at larger sample. Only XineFso is a black swan so when averaged out it's in the most sane category.

TLN would close it out for sure if the veto is Haven and Lotus, but there's no way that FNC would allow them to get these two maps.

That's the reality. As a TLN fan I mean it's a bit more likely than DRX but FNC is still the favorite to win here if FrosT doesn't cook comp like Termi did.

...Actually, if they perfected Double Duelist then I think they can have the same impact as 2022's PRX and can win, but that's just speculation.

What FrosT said is bullsh*t but the team really looks weaker, all the team looks weaker. I think there's some IRL stuffs that make all of them not performed as they should. Hopefully this will be fixed when they play in Accor.

I agree, but TLN won't be there since they'll finish 2nd if that's the case which they'll place against MIBR and FNC instead. TL might be but NRG is impossible since the placement won't allow.

Any other Los can be dropped, I don't care.
But NEVER DROP LOS RATONES!!!
GIVE THEM THE SPOT ALREADY RIOT!!! LEAGUE IS TOO BORING RITHT NOW!!! JUST BLAME KOI FOR ANYTHING MAN AND GET LR IN. I DON'T EVEN CARE.

I'LL JUST SUPPORT KOI FOR THEIR RIGHT TO REMAIN IN VALORANT JUST BECAUSE OF THAT. PERFORMANCE IS A SHITTY EXCUSE. YOU NEED TO KICK THEIR LEC OUT TOO IF THAT'S THE CASE SO OUR GOAT LOS RATONES CAN WIN WORLD.

JUST KICK THEM OUT ENTIRELY OR RATHER JUST KICK THE LEC TEAM INSTEAD. YOU HAVE A GOLDEN OF A GOLDEN GOOSE THAT NOW TERRORIZE EMEA AND YOU DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. YOU GUYS ARE SURELY DO BUSINESS ONLY IN KINDERGARTEN MONOPOLY. HOW IS THIS THE CASE!? KICKING KOI OUT AND RUINING T2 ESPORT TEAM ARE DESERVED COST IF YOU AT LEAST PLACE THE RAT WHERE THEY BELONG TO BUT NO YOU GUYS ARE JUST INCOMPETENT. I PROMISED IF I CAN I'LL JUST FIND YOU AND—

Oh, sorry. What's happens again? Oh. The players are all dropped? I hope they have a better home. These days are hard for everyone, and I keep having this feeling like I blackout frequently. Must have been stress and overwork.

You are right on point, sir. You win your argument fair and square at this moment in time.

I normally have an unreasonable conversation with you guys, but I think it's time we need to talk about the real conversation. The power of the thumbnail guy.

Seriously, if MIBR and FNC win today, I think you guys and me need to shut up and finally listen to the real analyst and governer of VCT matches. We might need to rethink or revolt to Riot for the integrity of the game that are being singlehandedly manipulated by just one entity. Do you think a single person having too much power to dictate the fate of VCT god is too much? How should we as a viewer dealt with the fate that we almost cannot prevent it?

I want to know you guys opinion whether Riot has taken it too far by manipulating the script like this even in the Group Stage.

Yes if TLN locked in Double Duelist. Probably the best double duelist team right now. The problem is the team need time especially Primmie just want more game IQ. So it depends whether they play Double Duelist or not. If not then they'll be 0-2, but if yes then equally likely to or more likely than DRX.

But TL is also having a bad day tbh. Free1ing singlehandedly disabled nAts on Abyss and that's a large part why they lose too. In this performance, I think most Pacific team can win against them.

Simply, whitecat can't play in VCT.
Might as well can be but now it might breach some laws. It's hard to get grandfathered into the league now.

It's likely a weekday and small arena. The main event I think is at Accor though so it might be a banger. The sadder part is ONE OK ROCK surely have concert at Accor and I still can't go to Paris due to some work, and probably can't stay beyond a week anyway.

Surely not. No case or guns mention.

I mean... Bangkok and Toronto still hype even with no (full) teams of their nation. So I don't think that's all about how the crowd are just bad though.
I think it might have more to do about being a weekday and probably about the Stage condition. Still, let's save our opinions and make judgement after the event go to Playoffs and the teams start playing at Accor.

This is inconsistency in the system when three other regions use the same system. It's just simply my belief that if Riot want to reflect consistency of their year, they need a consistent system because that'll be a large flaw or even loophole in the system.

I never said anything about them changing it in during the stage so I don't know where you get that impression. I think you get it from "special treatment" which I accepted might be a bad analogy, but I mean as in workplace condition where you get different application compared to others. Of course it doesn't mean you get a bad hiring but there will always be an internal concern regarding that.

Honestly if termi is being termi again since 2023, 0%.
I don't understand him too. It works with Vision Striker but it's in the past now. Don't just change the everything and let the player handle it. BuZz can handle that but Hyunmin can't.

I'm sorry DRX fan. They are worse than 100T when termi started getting creative. Just hope they stick with everything for once. My 2023 nightmare is still there behind LOUD in Tokyo being the scariest PTSD of my life.

I think X10C/XERXIA core (Sscary, foxz, crws, and potentially sushiboys) might actually be insane. I kind of forgot about them but now that I think they didn't have great duelist then. Patiphan/sushi is great and did have good show against GAMBIT but Surf is not as good and they still almost beat Prime OPTIC with him. Obviously weaker than FNC but might be as strong as PRX core tbh.

I think Sscary is backbone of the team, and when he left it's a bloodbath. But for BLEED case I think nephh instead is the backbone of the team. We don't get to see them play anymore but I think at least in those years

For TLN I don't think they can win against ZETA in Stage 1 though. That's the only part where I would heavily disagree with since I don't think I can even go to work in similar situation. The other games that they should have win is totally legit though like against DFM.

They don't give this position to EMEA Ascension like BLEED situation.
The answer is already clear, they already have an org in mind.

Legit this team will win against everyone in the league and the role make perfect sense, various strategies, and stacked with experienced top-level player.

They'll however lose to themselves before they did win anything.

TLDR since I know I'm too much of an intellectual for this community, don't be ironic and say the reasons why you think what you say is the case.

Nah, agree and disagree. I think all these assumptions are wrong the moment they start to think about who's going to win because people don't understand importance of Map Veto.
For fairness, I only played Country's Regional Overwatch matches and it's been a long time so I'm not comfortable to say how much it's matter in VALORANT too, but in those match at least my team and I can farm some people on Dorado as Ana or Route 66 and Mccree, but not Horizon.

Map Veto is likely equally important in VALORANT even with different system. Beside that, you need to understand the win conditions too, I say me on Ana and one of my friends on Soldier's performance in Dorado was the winning condition for the team. Back on VALORANT, You rather said the map vetos and compositions before convincing anyone any team could win. If it's in the same situation, for example, PRX likely ban Lotus and Corrode, TLN chose Bind and Haven while PRX get Ascent and Icebox with Sunset Remaining. With this Veto you can say TLN can win Bind and Haven if they solve their problems and they'll get thrashed on Icebox with Ascent being unknown. PRX likely win 2 out of 5 map already before playing and another three depends on how good TLN player is at the day.

But as I said you need to consider the win conditions too. TLN win conditions are basically just the flow. TLN likely win their Bind if they go with Double Duelist, Icebox heavily favor PRX with Crws being a factor, Haven is dependent between something and Jitboys, Ascent is just unknown but PRX show high-level of gameplay so TLN likely don't have many condition there, and lastly Sunset is depended on how they play.

All of this just to say this is all just assumption on one iteration of vetos, comps, and situation since since you never know situation on the day. What I said is the least you should say when you say any team is winning or losing. TLN can say they need to win first three map because that's their match win condition. How RRQ sweep is real because their win conditions is on the last two map that favor them and Xffero performance on Corrode. At the same time, TLN can have equal or less performance against PRX since their win conditions and vetos are likely equal or less than RRQ. These factors are a must-say to at least help determine the matter of the game and not just "this team this, that team that" exactly. But at least you should say "why" you think those argument of you are true because without a reason to back then it's just another "this team this, that team that."

MIBR doesn't deserve their slot simply because VCT AMER use different tiebreaker compared to three other regions. That's far from consistency, that's just special treatment. Can't refers to consistency of a team when their qualification depends on the inconsistency of the system. Their slots have less legitimacy compared to TH and DRX.

Termi is always going to stay at DRX and Argency won't be recognized because of him. Who here even know who Argency is and what he did for Vision Strikers? That's the most mental thing I have about DRX (as an org) because I hecking love the player, ex-player, and some staffs. The only one I hate are certain one, which if you watch VCT long enough you'll know who and why. This is just Korean "business" culture and I knew it cause my friends is working in certain Korean company. It just suck.

NGL you are cooking. What a banger if this is real.

Did PRX also lose to ZETA recently? Is that match-fixing though? The rate is so huge though.

I think most people likely picked TLN for three reasons:

1. They deserved the spot more after defeating DRX.
2. They have larger upset potential as they can upset against both stronger/weaker teams and could potentially make an upset run in Champs.
3. TLN players have potential to improve higher than DRX against top-tier teams from every regions.

FYI, Sscary implied (not said) in Thyy's stream that he might come back but not on TLN. He has been with XGOD since (friends group of TLN member) and he's surely cooking. He's one of the best controllers that many coaches recognized but required some setup around him, that's why people like to call him baiter.

It's currently a rostermania for many teams so he might get offers soon. This looks legit but not confirmed.

Can't remember but should be pretty early. There's this one drama where X10C get Patiphan instead of Pooh1Tap cause of behaviors and I remember it happens almost two education term later after I started watching (around 4-6 months), so maybe around late 2020?

I'm glazing my country but Thailand/U.S./Korea/Russia at the moment

• Thailand already have TLN and if not good Tier 2 teams like FS ans NKT. The difference between Thailand and other cracked countries is we have decent callers at the moment and you already have full-Thai team while other countries don't have much of a good one-nation team (except Korea). They just need to pick all the five and not make an All-Star team since most Thai team is already an All-star team.
• U.S. has all types of players but also too many players so they can have biggest performance gap in Nation Cups. They can get highest level of play on a right team or last place depending on the decision. Top team have at least one player from other countries so that's the sad part.
• Korea is a must since the talent are there. Get GENG 2024 players and prac them to the same level then it's a wrap. Likely they're the strongest if done right but as y'all know they need a good coach.
• Russia has only one savior: nAts. Other players are fillers but they'll need clear role separation since Russia players are cracked but they really, and I mean truly suck sometimes when they don't play on their comfortable role.

You guys are all dreaming.
Don't curse yourself please.

For fairness, real logistical disaster is LOCK//IN. Even I heard about that thing as someone on different sector. After that, they probably feel like any money is more important than the logistical difficulty. The companies also made large leaps as MNC so they probably want to focus more on the extends of their scale. Japan is also country with large competitive advantage for these things also, large profit and easier workload is something you might want to try once before deciding something in the future.

Respectfully, Jake sin probably don't know too. That's why.

It is advise by Riot but the time they advise isn't feasible for smaller organizations.

Basically, Riot advise orgs about the visa semi-appropriately, most has done that. The problem occurs when you get new players/certain situation which led to certain players being left out and the situation is more punishing toward smaller organizations.

Zellsis > Sato?

Every Playoff team for VCL SEA Stage 3 is guaranteed to have one Thai player, that mean all VCL SEA teams (4 team) in Ascension will also guaranteed to have one Thai player.
The one Thai in the high-seeded teams are ex-FS who was another favorite in Ascension 2024 beside NS and BME.
The teams that has yet to qualify for Acension are all Thai teams, with at least three Thai player.

With all of that information, the Thailand representative in Ascension Pacific 2025 is guaranteed to be between 10 and 12 players, exactly the same to the Korea representative in case that RIDDLE/NOEZ qualify for Ascension.

Their best map imo is still Lotus though, I don't think TLN is the best in Haven currently. The Tejo/Deadlock Haven though is diabolical and probably one of the best in the world at that time since it's their original comp.

It's just bad map veto for the most part. I think their win against DRX give them confidence but it's not nearly as good as their Tejo/Deadlock form.

True, especially since ZETA match in Stage 1. Even fate won't let TLN have it the easy way.
If anything fucked up like that happens again though, the world is legitimately hate TLN.

Yeah that's legit the worst and saddest one for anyone, what can you do when something fucked up happens IRL.

Already wrong though. Sadly but GEN is officially gone.

Damn, same. You're truly the biggest and long-lasting one. I gave up two years ago so I just want to know how long you'll last, but this sure is the impressive dedication and I think you'll last long.

I wanna know how long did you follow them through? Since First Strike? Just respectfully want to know.

You need a rest, I'm a Pacific fan so I'm a third party and you just got angry for no reason. It's not the same people replying that it's impossible.

Just go rest. I understand your anxiety, but it's better for your mind.