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EDG falloff is embarrassing

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#1
TeoEmil

S1mon got this ORG at a chokehold

They're nothing without him, not even the greatest player of all time chichoo can save these noobs

#2
SleepingSnorlax
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Not to forget we are adding another coach in the fraudulent list muggle

#4
Realfacts
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He has been fraud for a while. He is worse than autumn.

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mulyondoindon
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hey....
one is champs winner, and one is masters winner.
So for now, Autumn is the top fraud list

#13
Obsidian_Echo_Alt
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atleast Autumn won with his OWN strats ... muggle just copied After's blueprints ... the team admitted that

#14
mulyondoindon
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now that's a new "fun" fact for me

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xSaneZ
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Wait seriously? Bro AfteR's strats were the problem

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mulyondoindon
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maybe it works at that time?

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xSaneZ
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AfteR's strats are what held EDG back until champs. He made them play slow methodical fnatic style for a whole year and it just doesn't work for a team where their main strengths are aggro fighting (it did build discipline for them though). Nobody had most of the say in terms of the comps and strats for champs and why they looked so different playstyle wise. I think what he's saying is either right now or after champs, Muggle has been copying AfteR's strats - which might be true ngl

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Obsidian_Echo_Alt
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no im pretty sure EDG players said they based their champs strats on After's blueprints ; it doesnt mean muggle did nothing but it was definitely not entirely his strats

#3
Mingu
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S1Mon is the goat

#5
catNmouse
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more like yoru got them on a chokehold. he’s what started this

#6
Poh1238
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aint this like few match with there new player? you need more time for a full potential

#7
Jayde
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Funny cuz the roles would still be fucked with s1mon in this meta, everyone who says they would be top 1 in cn with s1mon rn just doesnt understand this game tbh

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mimosa1
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Sure because s1mon cant play Fade lmao

You also don't have to run Yoru BTW he isn't God

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Jayde
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Yoru is just the best agent in this meta, every top team has figured that out and the ones who use him the best will win champs (and has won the 2 i ternationals this year) s1mon could go full ini sure but nobody would still be ass at yoru

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mimosa1
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They could've spent all this time having someone trained on Yoru if they never sacked s1mon, they signed jieni as a yoru player and ran the same comps that s1mon would have been good in, and jieni was horrible at yoru. THEY THEN signed HMFI who also can't play Yoru and ran the same comps s1mon would've dominated in.

SImply put if they were gonna run these comps s1mon would've been the best option. If they wanted a yoru player they've had months to have someone constantly play yoru in matches, scrims, and ranked. Instead they swap the roster multiple times and switch comps every week. Clearly management is lost man

Sure running Yoru allows you to bolster the comp in others areas where Yoru alone can act as the Kayo/Breach flash, then you add another duelist/senti/controller....but this alone won't make you win champs or an event. It also doesn't guarantee a win in the game even if the other team isn't running Yoru. If trying to implement Yoru into the comps has dragged EDG down this far, was it even worth trying to use the agent in the first place? There are many different comps you can run and Yoru isn't a necessary to win

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xSaneZ
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Jieni has been training Yoru since before all the S1mon drama since he's on the academy roster. But it obvs didn't work out

Also sorry but double init is no longer meta, with S1mon he wouldn't have "dominated" in those comps. EDG kept trying to force what worked for them in the past instead of adapting to the new meta. S1mon's strength has always been really strong supportive util, while his mechanics don't consistently match up to his teammates/enemies. I know he CAN aim and pull of shit at times, but that doesn't mean that's consistent. Look at how S1mon performed in bangkok, his aim wasn't even at the t1 level - missing 15 shots on enemies who he full blinded is crazy. When you take away the importance of what made S1mon good, all you have left is an average player. Sorry.

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mimosa1
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Agent consistency
Aim

All things that you listed can be fixed easily. And I’m aware that double ini isn’t meta anymore but that doesn’t mean Yoru is the only other option.

Team chemistry

Removing s1mon breaks this. A team that wins champs clearly has this and could’ve recuperated with apologies and meetings to discuss issues. Team chemistry is not easy to fix, as we can see. Now we have role problems, bad performances, and a lack of chemistry and strategy from the team. And none of these newer players are finding their footing in the team which will take a considerable amount of time.Management isn’t allowing for this. This is why I said if we were going to approach it like this, it was ultimately better to keep s1mon

#21
xSaneZ
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Yes I think without all the drama it would've been wise to stick with S1mon for at least another few months but what happened was pretty unrecoverable, the way he immaturely handled things on stream made the situation far worse and his comments only fueled the fire which eventually led to the doxxing of Smoggy by his fans. It would've been extremely hard to reconcile from everything that occured from that and onwards, and from what I can remember they were already having chemistry issues during bangkok (from each of the teammate's statements). S1mon's mental was a big factor in this, tilting during their bangkok games and making comments like "I can't shoot, I dont want to play anymore, just sub me out" is def not great for the team mental and especially clashes with KK who tries to do the opposite

Also I'd argue the main reason why double init is no longer meta is BECAUSE of yoru, yes there are a few maps where you can get away with not running him. But the fact you can instead run double controller (or even double duelist) and STILL have flashes and an intiaition ult (yoru) is the main reason why it's so meta right now - it's just that teams have finally figured that out, pair that with Vyse who has great initiation capability too.

EDG were trying not to run Yoru for so long which has backfired so that's why they're trying so hard. The best teams are all running Yoru right now and it's clear that he's just so good

#23
mimosa1
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I agree with the Yoru part which is why I mentioned it allows you to bolster your comp in a different area.

I’m also very bias towards s1mon as he’s my favorite player but I just want to see EDG do good again

卧薪尝胆

#24
xSaneZ
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EDG are in their experimentation phase again, pretty similar to just before champs. We just have to believe they'll find smth they are comfortable sticking with, they'll do good then. Hopefully nobody will improve at the yoru

#19
Galactc
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how s1mon has people backing him like this is crazy imagine if they hadn't won champs

#20
mimosa1
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Id still back him he’s the best player ever

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