NA is most overrated region

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As title says.
I don't know much about the demographic VLR.GG users. But the fact than people no matter what will always say EMEA the worst region and put NA as the best.
EMEA looking bad?!?!!.....Sure. But we have to consider how much Riot f***ed that region by ending playoffs 2 weeks later

On other Hand l think AMER teams have been as bad as EMEA teams if not worse . Call it cope but l think TL would have beaten SEN .
Not to mention
AMER vs EU record this event is 0-2 and potentially 0-3 marking that all 3 AMER teams were eleminated by EU teams.
That doesnt mean G2( NA only good team ) is bad. I mean stats speak for themselves and guess which region had more time to prepare and didnt get VISA issues.

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womp womp memeMEA

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Smartest American

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And to mention in last 4 events
4 Americas teams were singlehandly eleminated by TH... (G2,100T, SEN,LEV)
FUT eleminated Lev in swiss Shanghai
FNC eleminated G2 in playoffs Seoul
TL eleminated SEN in swiss Bangkok
2 already in Toronto
That is 9 - 0 in EMEA favour in elemination games

That is Valorant heritage

10-0 if we are counting FNC vs KRU in champs too

I took Shanghai and after since neither of regions won event and are the recent....

APAC
CN
EMEA
NA

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you mention the last 4 events then decide to put CN over NA and EMEA when the last 4 events has just been 1 chinese team carrying the entire region? wtf is this narrative that you are making when the most logical thing to do is to base it off of placements and not head to head matchups? NA has made multiple finals and the same can be say for EMEA. EMEA and NA have made more finals then APAC and CN teams thats a fact they also have more trophies than APAC and CN. if you want to bring up history NA and EMEA have dominated Valorant. if you want to mention now as in the past 3 events the regions are quite literally even with each having 1 team carrying the entire region.

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hmm

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NA as of right now is not the best, currently it's APAC, and then China then NA then EMEA in my opinion

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Also NA vs EU rn is not 0-2 it's 0-1 with fnatic being the only team winning against na

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TL vs MIBR also

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Mibr isnt na vro

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I mean Americas as region overall but ofc let me fix it......l am used to say NA vs EU ...my bad

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it's aight but yea Americas is overrated in general because of the demographic of vlr, however

Vlr isn't the best place for info
I don't think rn EMEA as a region is better (currently)
Though fnatic is strong, there's a big gap between fnatic and the other teams

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Gugul1

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I agree, but there is also a gap between G2 and rest of teams....the fact that G2 has secured Champs already tells everything... At least the teams in EU are changing winner...
From VIT and TL as top seeds , to FNC and TH and l think this will change later also....
G2 ,SEN, MIBR has been the constant top 3 in AMER....
The top 2 for sure wont change in stage 2 ....l can see MIBR fall , but not the other 2....and sorry to say this to you.....SEN is not playing good man.

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that's fair tbh, it's honestly a difference in opinion, EMEA has probably more teams that could be good compared to Americas, but honestly with what the teams have showed at toronto, neither sen nor the other EMEA teams are good rn. I hope to see what g2 or FNATIC can pull later, cuz I feel like the same top 3, also means consistency

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MIBR is a Brazilian org

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then say Americas not NA XD

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You cant deny l am wrong then....you want to discuss over Names used wrong

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Bro, let's be honest Heretics and mibr had the worst performance that if you swap their rivals they would get rolled by everyone. Liquid coming with whole roster then wouldn't be able to play with penny an important piece to their gameplay in this masters giving them more aggresiveness than with Serial in maps where they required it. And finally, I invite you as a PRX fan to compare their performance against Liquid with their performance in playoffs, if PRX faced Liquid with the level that they are showing in playoffs they would won 2-0 against Liquid without dropping split.

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MIBR was far worse than TH....if TH had an easier opponent they would have different mentality....
TL has given the hardest gane to PRX( excluding GEN G)...the way they almost qualifed is to be admired....SEN was nowhere close TL...TL had the worst luck this event. I Blame RIOT for the whole mess and are irresponsible for the EU crashing out this event....yet AMERICAS teams had more time just to look horrible in their home crowd

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"MIBR was far worse than TH..." I agree, but just look against which teams mibr played, Heretics would get fucked against GenG and then Liquid would beat them giving us the same result, heretics were shit in this event. And I would feel worried about my region if a Mibr that looks like a broken team in this event (something that they were giving us some clues about this in EWC) would be better than Heretics, and SEN lost against Fnatic, your seed one, that any of your seed 2 or seed 3 wouldn't be able to tear them down.

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Gugul1

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I will say that the teams MIBR lost too are eleminated already
5-6th GEN G
9-10th TL..

TH lost to the 2 teams remaining in the upper bracket
Top 3 WOL
Top 3 PRX
No matter what those 2 teams are guaranteed a 3rd place minumum

And l mean TL gave PRX a harder game than G2 or SEN

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There is no way that this is your argument LMAO

First at all, in group stage the most feared team was GenG, GenG would have won 2-0 against TH in this event if they faced in group stage, and by your same logic "And l mean TL gave PRX a harder game than G2 or SEN" Team Liquid also gave a better fight than Heretics against PRX, so based in your logic Heretics would have been lost the regional match between them.

And again taking your "And l mean TL gave PRX a harder game than G2 or SEN"
Like I said, I invite you to compare the gameplay of PRX in group stage with their performance in playoffs, if they would have been played like they did against Liquid making horrible mistakes they would been out of the tournament even against a non warmed up G2.

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The issue is TH was devastated by their loss aganist FNC 3-0.... Time schedule added and we all know TH were hyped by fans...you were there....we all thought TH would pass group....this added even more pressure to them....
Worst case was them facing PRX ( a well prepared team, with aggressive play style....l mean l saw it the moment TH banned Sunset ( their best 2024 map) cause didnt prepare it . They were scared ....
It is what it is ....
You are also downgrading TL quality....they played good but none thinks that somehow...if they havent got PRX they would qualify Surely

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Not to mention EMEA had worst advantage of any region by their schedule
TH didnt get time to heal from that Final aganist FNC
TL didnt have their IGL playing

FNC got a week more at least , but only to face a momentum team like Gen G

Unlucky events ...

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Wtf are you even talking about, from the start penny was supposed to be on the roster not as a sub, but as a player of a 6man roster. Heretics had to play both the upper finalists (they were also dogshit)

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NA: 🇧🇷🇲🇽🇵🇪🇨🇱🇦🇷. Is the strongest region, you European 🇨🇳 fuckers are envy of our sucess.

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no one thinks americas is the best
after today both americas and emea are in the same boat

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Abcdefg

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yea, but I think that na as a region is better still tho

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K4ziuHa

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That's why you wear a sen flair

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Abcdefg

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no cuz like EMEA has fnatic which are really good, but Americas has g2 and sen which I think makes the region better

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Thank you at least one reasonable person...l still will argue that NA is worst, but the fact is that those 2 are the worst....

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pacific
cn
americas
emea

NA ON TOP(of emea)

all of these can change depending on who wins. ngl if g2 wins the tournament americas would be #1

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Gugul1

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But when TH 2024 and FNC 2023 was dominating the events ....they were 1 team region

G2 can win the event, but they wont be better than PAC for sure
China is the worst...
XLG and BLG were worst teams together with MIBR

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if g2 win then I dont see a difference from americas and pacific. g2 got 1st, sen 5/6th, and mibr bombed out. same with apac, prx top3, geng 5/6th, and rrq bombed out. rrq was really saved by being first seed

cn has guaranteed top 3 If fnc lose next game there is nothing emea has over cn
2 teams bombed out for both of the regions, we aint forget about heretics they were just as bad if not worse than xlg and blg, atleast blg won a map against sen and beat a dysfunctional TL. cn would just be the better 1 team region.

ngl the more I think about the more I believe that NA was right. Americas > Pacific > CN > emea

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In your opinion
Beating:
Wolves( considered worst team then, 1st appearance , nervous)
BLG( who were blessed cause TL didnt have IGL)
XLG( worst 1st seed)

Is same as beating:
MIBR( who was considered as team to go to playoffs.)
PRX( best in form team)
FNC( contender to win event)

Somehow they both placed same place...looked at the difference of the teams they had to face
Unbelivable

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yeah you just have extreme bias against CN. Mibr gets the “considered as a team to go to playoffs” and XLG gets “worst 1st seed”

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i don't think mibr was really a good contender to playoffs most believed they wouldn't make it

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Gugul1

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Hahahahahahah....bro l want to take whatever shiit you use

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MEMEmea past 2 years with Fnatic: 2 International Trophies

MEMEmea past 2 yesrs without Fnatic: 0 international trophy

So stfu 1 team region.

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I haven’t seen someone put NA at number 1 in months… (also NA is not a region, at least not in and context of APAC EMEA CN)

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Gugul1

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I mean AMERICAS HAS ALWAYS BEEN
NA + Aspas & friends......+ KRU (just for champs spot)

So l can label them as NA as well.... 4 brazilian orgs is crazy. .......

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tf loud was a dominant force for 2-3 years

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All this NA slander when MEMEA hasn't won shit in forever.

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Gugul1

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same as NA they haven't won anything recently

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tbf we won Madrid and a more recent second place at Bangkok

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like TH didn't get multiple 2nd places and FNC didn't also dominate

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my point is that we've had an more recent win and a more recent 2nd place, but I'm not saying EMEA isn't doing anything

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Gugul1

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THAT WAS ALREADY MORE THAN 1 YEAR AGO....we are not saying who won the latest . the fact we both agree is that both regions are worse than APAC. I can assume that. what I mean is both regions have lost their finals and 1 of our regions is going out Friday .

G2 beating FNC or the opposite won't prove anything .....the fact is if I can let them face to face and most AME teams will get smoked.

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yea Americas and EMEA are no where near on the level of china and pacific, and I think maybe at champs the regions can fight it out again to really see which region is better then, since although they are 3rd and 4th, it is basically objective who's better than the other

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I have a feeling G2 and TH will take it serious......if PRX win they will be the only teams to ever lose Grand finals and not win one....strange when you think about it.
I am scared of FNC tbh. They are my 2nd fav team as an EMEA fan and European Resident.....BO5 are their specialities and they lost only 2 in whole VCT history l think.

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that first paragraph didnt make sense bro, but i think that fnc current map pool is too hard to win a bo5 with, they rly need to cook up to win, but im def rooting for wolves

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NA gets slander even before winning Madrid. Next.

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SEN dont make playoffs if they didnt play chinese teams only

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EG 3-1 NA owns your flair for trophy

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just for the team and their players to get washed ( except Jawgemo) thank him for his Lotus masterclass he did

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FNC vs G2 will solidify which region is better this year thus far. And then when FNC wins they'll all say Crashies is NA. Lmfao.

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EMEA is the closest to a 1 team region I have seen so far.

the teams that NA didn't send can beat the teams EMEA did send, aside from fnc.

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china?????????????? EDG their only winner //// and you act like G2 hasn't been the only NA team this year. SEN is ovr

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sen just placed 5th in the world lol

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In your opinion
Beating:
Wolves( considered worst team then, 1st appearance , nervous)
BLG( who were blessed cause TL didnt have IGL)
XLG( worst 1st seed)

Is same as beating:
MIBR( who was considered as team to go to playoffs.)
PRX( best in form team)
FNC( contender to win event)

Somehow people might say GEN G and SEN were same page ...look at the difference of the teams they had to face

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EDG isn’t even at the event and there’s a new chinese team that’s top 3 ITW, i think they’re safe from the 1 team region allegations

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If Wolves can pull of a good placement next event sure....if not ...it will be just a one time run which happend to be......
I need at least a other solid Chinese team which is not EDG or Wolves...then sure...

EMEA has had in last 3 events....3 different teams in top 4

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NA KEKW NO TEJO NO WIN

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gotta be a shit region when ur best team is g0

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emea has been fnatic and friends for the past two years

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TH has been an amazing team TL HAS BEEN solid plus EMEA is more competitive than AMERICAS.....VIT/NAVI/KC/FUT /BBL can all reach top 6 in that region.. they can beat MIBR also ....and some can pull off a run with SEN...as for G2 I have no words they are the best TEAM love it or not

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Sliggy rankings

NA
APAC
EMEA
CHINA

he is an ex head coach of emea.
He streams practically every game for most regions
He has been active in the FPS scene since CS

He knows more than you

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and even then he's biased
hes doing a favor to emea by putting them above china

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americass what excuse will they put when g2 loses

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I hate Americas, but honestly, this is worse than any ronyko23 take I have seen from him. And he posts a shit ton of times

a sentinelmain377 wannabe who just wants to copy his style for post interactions (especially with THAT flair)

embarassing

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ronyko23 has okay takes on CN but everything else PMO 🥀

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ronyko's Pacific takes makes me audibly laugh how tf does he keep doing that and not get tired of that shit 😭🙏💔🥀

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your whole argument is just based on could have and should haves.

Like I could argue that china is the best region if xlg beat sen and then beat prx is semi finals.

Just obvious bait

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apac is the best but only 2 trophies?? and not to mention china got a champions before apac

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Did you count dusty rusty trophies?

We are talking about present not distant past