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Champions Groups

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#1
edelhose1337

How do u think will riot split the draw pools for champions?
I think:
Pool 1: Winner Master3, EU #1, NA #1, KR #1
Pool 2: BR #1, LATAM #1, SEA #1, EU #2
Pool 3: NA #2, BR #2, JP #1, SEA 2#
Pool 4 LCQ: EMEA, NA, SA, APAC

With this draw pools a fiasco would be possible again, like:
Gambit, Fnatic, Envy, Team Liquid

#2
JokesOver
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There are 7 maps now right. So how about 2 groups with bo1 where each team plays each other twice

#3
edelhose1337
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Bo1 is in my opinion the biggest bullshit.

#4
JokesOver
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This has a higher chance of every team playing rach other

#7
edelhose1337
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quality > quantity

#34
jvvvvvvvv
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for real, with the delay before each game it would be very annoying waiting for the teams to get in the stage and prep their stuff

#5
Fracture
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what.

Bo1 is legit the worst way to run the penultimate tournament that the masters have been leading up to. Just keep it as it is now where it's a Bo3 until finals where it becomes Bo5. (I had a thought of saying Bo5 to Bo7 but realised there is not enough time in the day and it would just become and endurance match).

Even if you mean just for the group stages it's still bad. Nothing good comes from Bo1 other than unhappy and unfulfilled fans and players.

#8
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ok yeah but how sick would it be if it was bo5 all the time

#10
Fracture
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Oh I mean it would be dope don't get me wrong. But if you do that the finals feels like it has the same impact as the rest of the tourney instead of if it went from Bo3 to Bo5 imo. Having the amount of games played increase in the Finals is a great way of telling the viewers that this is the do or die match.

#13
mystbz1
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yeah but imagine a bo7 in the finals that would be epic, regardless of the rest of the tourny.

#17
Fracture
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It would be cool to see two teams play all maps in the game to see who is truly the better team but that would be literal hours of playtime. Viewers don't have the patience to watch all the games non-stop so viewership would fluctuate wildly

#12
JokesOver
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Time is the problem...

#18
Fracture
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Yeah... that was my point against the Bo7. Bo3 to Bo5 is fine and has been proven to work though so all good.

#23
JokesOver
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So the same double elimination groups like masters 3 for champions i guess....

#25
Fracture
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Most likely. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Unless the players get together and state they want a different way of doing things and Riot listen which is entirely possible but I can't imagine them wanting to play a Bo5 the entirety of group stage tbh

#35
JokesOver
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I got the idea for the bo1 group stages from lol worlds

#6
DELUSIONAL_FANS_DESTROYER
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NA#2 should be pool 2. While LATAM goes to pool 3.

#19
edelhose1337
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totally agree. But i tried to think like riot.

#9
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Why would they put all of the NO.1 seeds against each other? That completely ruins the point of having first seed, surely the 1st seed teams (especially for the larger regions) would play the lower seed teams / LCQ teams to increase their chances of making playoffs, an advantage which comes with being 1st seed?

#11
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Ignore me just realised this is about draw pools and not groups, it all makes sense :)

#14
edelhose1337
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I am talking about draw pools.

#15
Fracture
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Nah... he's talking about the pools for drawing the groups LOL

I was a bit confused at first by what he meant but you pick one from each pool to form the group. He's essentially theorycrafting potential groupings

#16
BelgianSausage
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Yeah I figured that out when I read it for the second time… I was like how could something think this and realised I was the moron…

#21
Fracture
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LMFAO.

Nah he got me the same then I looked at it and was like "ahhhhhh i see now"

#20
BelgianSausage
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Mb bro 1head from me

#22
BelgianSausage
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And this went to the wrong message… today is not my day

#26
tRONGOD
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My man just log out at this point and sleep else you might aswell just accidently send nudes to the wrong chat

#24
tRONGOD
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This seems good tbh except of just one switch, have highlighted them in bold.

Pool 1: Winner Master3, EU #1, NA #1, KR #1
Pool 2: BR #1, LATAM #1, SEA #1, JP #1
Pool 3: NA #2, BR #2, EU #2, SEA 2#
Pool 4 LCQ: EMEA, NA, SA, APAC

#27
Fracture
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Are you saying that CR are better than Acend/Fanatic? (i forget who the EU #2 is but still...)

What kinda conspiracy theory BS are you consuming LMFAO

#28
tRONGOD
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Chill, just did it for the similarity - All 1s and 2s together, it just looks good kek

#29
Fracture
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BRUH...

I really thought you were like some crazy guy thinking that like CR was legit better than EU #2.

Don't give me hope man. I just want CR to do well ;-;

#30
makoidk
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Using your pools, I tried seeding them in a way that there are no inter-region matches in groups

Group A
Sentinels
Fnatic
Vivo Keyd
FULL SENSE

Group B
Acend
X10 Esports
Team Envy
FURIA Esports

Group C
Gambit Esports
Team Vikings
Team Secret
XSET

Group D
Vision Strikers
KRU Esports
Crazy Raccoon
Team Liquid

#31
Fracture
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The confidence you have to put XSET in there when 3 matches of NA LCQ have been played is something I want to have when I have to propose to my future wife.

#32
makoidk
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wait LMAO I only put XSET there cause they were my pick and i wanted to have a placeholder

#33
Fracture
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Nah... I'm sticking with you being hella confident because my future self needs it LOL

#37
yungbasel
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Loooool XD.

#36
Adri98
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We will see 2 EMEA teams in the same group sadly...like Masters 3

#39
Marrix
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They should make it so that every group has atleast one of each region instead of having 2 of a region battling against eachother. That's not really fair to those teams. What if, for example, Gambit and Acend play each other in the group and Acend gets eliminated, but if acend played in any other group they would move to the playoffs. It isn't fair to put teams from the stronger regions against each other and deny them the play offs when they would easily beat the teams from the less stronger regions. You'd have Acend going out and Team secret go through. The best don't get through because they play the best from the start, which is not fair to me.

tldr; Make the groups like in the UCL where the best teams from the same region don't play eachother. The best teams should go to the playoffs and there shouldn't be a team that gets the easier group and proceeds to get stomped in the playoffs, while the other teams would've made it through.

#40
Mkin11
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They will probably use masters 3 results to make the pools:
Pool 1: Berlin winner, EMEA 1 , NA 1, NA 2
Pool 2: EMEA 3, EMEA 2, KR , LATAM
Pool 3: JP, BR 1, SEA 1, SEA 2
Pool 4: LCQ NA, LCQ SA, LCQ APAC, LCQ EMEA.

#42
ReZist
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A BO7 could work if they give breaks in between matches and a long break post 4th map, or maybe 4 maps on day1 and 3 on day 2?

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