When looking at then entirety of VCT Sentinels is arguably the best and most succesful team. 2 Masters and apart from their weak streak always playing for top spots. The only other teams I would consider are LOUD and Fnatic. No other team has been a big name or succesful for either a long period of time or at 2 distinct times from 2021-2025. Thoughts?
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Sentinels is the overall best team in VCT
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Toph_ [#3]Fnatic were good for 1 year. Loud Sen or Edg. If edg win bangkok then definetly edg.
edg been good for like 1 year too wdym
Toph_ [#3]Fnatic were good for 1 year. Loud Sen or Edg. If edg win bangkok then definetly edg.
What a horrendous take
Fnatic we’re good in 2021 and 2022 as well, edg literally got grouped twice in 2024, sen was horseshit domestically for two years didn’t make domestic playoffs for Shanghai and also bombed out champs 2021 and didn’t play well at Berlin
Uncleben [#2]The weak streak was really really bad tho
Thats true but I think if other teams went through that, it would be hard to recover. Look at NRG, Loud, PRX and many other teams that are struggling and have been struggling for a while even though they were regarded as really well. The only team that got DEFINITIVELY better was EG during 2023 but apart from that, nothing really.
VainZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ [#6]Thats true but I think if other teams went through that, it would be hard to recover. Look at NRG, Loud, PRX and many other teams that are struggling and have been struggling for a while even though they were regarded as really well. The only team that got DEFINITIVELY better was EG during 2023 but apart from that, nothing really.
The thing is, loud nrg and prx had two good years before they started struggling, and sentinels at their worst were going 0-5 in domestic group stage
Their low was so bad you had like 2 sen flairs in all of vlr
In 2023 seeing a sen flair was like seeing a tsm flair in 2022
Galactc [#7]Fnc have made every lan except 3 (Berlin Madrid and Bangkok) and have never been grouped at any of the events they did attend fnc are the only awnser ngl
Also sentinels are iconic since they aren’t that big outside of valo
Fnatic are so massive their success in valo doesn’t grow their brand as much, but if they were like sentinels then everyone would consider them iconic with valorant as well if that makes sense
Toph_ [#3]Fnatic were good for 1 year. Loud Sen or Edg. If edg win bangkok then definetly edg.
This is a genuinely terrible take, FNATIC were the kings of EU until now pretty much. They made finals in the first masters and have always been at the top. The only reason they arent the best is because they never won Champs and only won 1 masters. But alone their Win in the LOCK//IN Final is enough to put them in top conversation.
Uncleben [#5]What a horrendous take
Fnatic we’re good in 2021 and 2022 as well, edg literally got grouped twice in 2024, sen was horseshit domestically for two years didn’t make domestic playoffs for Shanghai and also bombed out champs 2021 and didn’t play well at Berlin
Fnatic didn't even make Madrid and might as well have gotten grouped in Shanghai. Were mid at best in 2021. Grouped in Reykjavík. One, a mickey event. Didn't even make Berlin, and had 1 notable year at best. The fact SEN were as bad as they were for two years and came back is evidence of them being at the top in two entirely different metas. EDG also proven this. Its a take thats simply the harsh truth. Overrated team.
VainZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ [#10]This is a genuinely terrible take, FNATIC were the kings of EU until now pretty much. They made finals in the first masters and have always been at the top. The only reason they arent the best is because they never won Champs and only won 1 masters. But alone their Win in the LOCK//IN Final is enough to put them in top conversation.
Mickey rng event. They were horrible, 2024. Heretics were the top of EU, They aren't even close to the top of EU now Gambit was the top of EU in 2021 only the top of EU in 2022 because fpx weren't at champs. Only ever truly been at the top in 2023.
washedradiant [#4]edg been good for like 1 year too wdym
Good in 2023 just not the best, Became the best in 2024, Currently still top 3 itw bare minimum in 2025. They've yet to have a year that wasn't good.
Toph_ [#12]Fnatic didn't even make Madrid and might as well have gotten grouped in Shanghai. Were mid at best in 2021. Grouped in Reykjavík. One, a mickey event. Didn't even make Berlin, and had 1 notable year at best. The fact SEN were as bad as they were for two years and came back is evidence of them being at the top in two entirely different metas. EDG also proven this. Its a take thats simply the harsh truth. Overrated team.
Edg haven’t been good for a year yet
Fnatic made 2nd at Iceland 1, Iceland 2 they were missing half their roster
They have 2 back to back wins (more impressive than sens), came 4th at Copenhagen, 2nd at Iceland, 4th at champs 2023, 5th at champs 2022, won countless domestic trophies
Sen won Iceland 1, 8th at Berlin after farming f4q, grouped at champs, failed to even make Iceland, went 0-5 in split 2 and failed again to make Copenhagen, failed to win lcq, first rounded at lock-in, failed to make playoffs again domestically, got only one win at lcq 2023, won Madrid and Americas, immediately failed to even make split 1 domestic playoffs, bombed out of playoffs split 2 then made 4th at champs
They have had 3 good tourneys ever
Toph_ [#14]Good in 2023 just not the best, Became the best in 2024, Currently still top 3 itw bare minimum in 2025. They've yet to have a year that wasn't good.
good in 2023? Decent there were way better teams. Best in 2024? Only for the end of the year (Champs). 2025 has only been 1 month of valorant so far. Fnatic reign was way stronger too and longer (in valorant timeline).
Toph_ [#14]Good in 2023 just not the best, Became the best in 2024, Currently still top 3 itw bare minimum in 2025. They've yet to have a year that wasn't good.
They aren’t the best in 2024, geng are, they got GROUPED TWICE before winning champs
Also their highest placement was 5th in 2023, they weren’t good in 2023
Uncleben [#15]Edg haven’t been good for a year yet
Fnatic made 2nd at Iceland 1, Iceland 2 they were missing half their roster
They have 2 back to back wins (more impressive than sens), came 4th at Copenhagen, 2nd at Iceland, 4th at champs 2023, 5th at champs 2022, won countless domestic trophiesSen won Iceland 1, 8th at Berlin after farming f4q, grouped at champs, failed to even make Iceland, went 0-5 in split 2 and failed again to make Copenhagen, failed to win lcq, first rounded at lock-in, failed to make playoffs again domestically, got only one win at lcq 2023, won Madrid and Americas, immediately failed to even make split 1 domestic playoffs, bombed out of playoffs split 2 then made 4th at champs
They have had 3 good tourneys ever
Became the best Geng got grouped at the most important event.
Excuses
Subjective, Domestic trophies... Tears
Like a said 1 good year SEN 2 good years.
Uncleben [#17]They aren’t the best in 2024, geng are, they got GROUPED TWICE before winning champs
Also their highest placement was 5th in 2023, they weren’t good in 2023
5th is good.
Toph_ [#19]Became the best Geng got grouped at the most important event.
Excuses
Subjective, Domestic trophies... Tears
Like a said 1 good year SEN 2 good years.
Clearly your just very biased, so no point in discussing, sen have had far lower lows than their highs, zero consistency and are very clearly not the best team in valorant
washedradiant [#16]good in 2023? Decent there were way better teams. Best in 2024? Only for the end of the year (Champs). 2025 has only been 1 month of valorant so far. Fnatic reign was way stronger too and longer (in valorant timeline).
Yes, “way” better is an exaggeration. The part of the year that matters most. Fnatic reign was also one year. Failed to adapt or develope.
Toph_ [#23]Yes, “way” better is an exaggeration. The part of the year that matters most. Fnatic reign was also one year. Failed to adapt or develope.
if your calling edg good in 2023, then Fnatic were good for 4 years. Bro please stop, this edg glaze is too much
Uncleben [#8]The thing is, loud nrg and prx had two good years before they started struggling, and sentinels at their worst were going 0-5 in domestic group stage
Their low was so bad you had like 2 sen flairs in all of vlrIn 2023 seeing a sen flair was like seeing a tsm flair in 2022
that's cap
Toph_ [#21]5th is good.
5th once isn’t good, we aren’t giving out participation points now, you were calling fnatic mid in 2021 and 2022 a post ago when they had a 2nd place, a 5-8th, a 4th and a 5th place. Have some logical consistency please.
Uncleben [#22]Clearly your just very biased, so no point in discussing, sen have had far lower lows than their highs, zero consistency and are very clearly not the best team in valorant
Which only adds to my point, they actually progress and develop as a team. Fnatic don't. 1 Good year I'm not bias at all, FNC are just overrated. Maybe another year of doing failing to make events and bombing out will make that more clear.
Toph_ [#27]Which only adds to my point, they actually progress and develop as a team. Fnatic don't. 1 Good year I'm not bias at all, FNC are just overrated. Maybe another year of doing failing to make events and bombing out will make that more clear.
They actually progress and develop as a team - and it’s just them being horrendously horseshit compared to their highs, buying put world champs mvps and still being shit, then finally doing somewhat good
What are we even talking about here dawg, they were the 3rd best team in 2021 and 2024 and were one of the worst tier 1 teams in 22-23
Uncleben [#26]5th once isn’t good, we aren’t giving out participation points now, you were calling fnatic mid in 2021 and 2022 a post ago when they had a 2nd place, a 5-8th, a 4th and a 5th place. Have some logical consistency please.
5th once then 5-6th. Bombed out of a actually non mickey event in 2022 Missed a event in 2021. 5th-8th not as good as 5-6th.
Toph_ [#29]5th once then 5-6th. Bombed out of a actually non mickey event in 2022 Missed a event in 2021. 5th-8th not as good as 5-6th.
5th-8th was due to the format being different, not due to skill
What event are u taking about in 22?
Edg are barely a top 10 team in 2023 brotha, stop with this agenda, they got first rounded in lock-in to fucking 100t mind you
Uncleben [#28]They actually progress and develop as a team - and it’s just them being horrendously horseshit compared to their highs, buying put world champs mvps and still being shit, then finally doing somewhat good
What are we even talking about here dawg, they were the 3rd best team in 2021 and 2024 and were one of the worst tier 1 teams in 22-23
They bought world champs mvps in 2023 didn't do anything. They then dropped one and picked up a T2 player... Yeah thats progression as a team. 2nd best team in 2024 and 2023.
Uncleben [#30]5th-8th was due to the format being different, not due to skill
What event are u taking about in 22?
Edg are barely a top 10 team in 2023 brotha, stop with this agenda, they got first rounded in lock-in to fucking 100t mind you
EDG are absolutely top 10 in 2023 theres no agenda just a fact. Formatting being different causes a different level of 5-6th compared to now. Berlin.
Toph_ [#31]They bought world champs mvps in 2023 didn't do anything. They then dropped one and picked up a T2 player... Yeah thats progression as a team. 2nd best team in 2024 and 2023.
You are special needs if they think they are top 2 in 2023
In 2024, geng and edg were better….
Toph_ [#32]EDG are absolutely top 10 in 2023 theres no agenda just a fact. Formatting being different causes a different level of 5-6th compared to now. Berlin.
So they were top 10 in 2023, grouped in Madrid and Shanghai, then won champs and they have been good for a year???
Bro your logic is all over the place
Uncleben [#34]So they were top 10 in 2023, grouped in Madrid and Shanghai, then won champs and they have been good for a year???
Bro your logic is all over the place
Would you say 2024 was a bad year for edg? And if EDG in 2023 wasn't a good year have drx ever had a good year?
Toph_ [#35]Would you say 2024 was a bad year for edg? And if EDG in 2023 wasn't a good year have drx ever had a good year?
I think we have different definitions of good year
I don’t consider it a good year if you don’t make an avg too 4ish placement for the year
2024 isn’t a bad year for edg, but it’s a mid year if you look at the whole year
They have been the best team itw starting from champs until now since they are top 3 itw rn, so not yet a fulll good year I’m on
Uncleben [#36]I think we have different definitions of good year
I don’t consider it a good year if you don’t make an avg too 4ish placement for the year2024 isn’t a bad year for edg, but it’s a mid year if you look at the whole year
They have been the best team itw starting from champs until now since they are top 3 itw rn, so not yet a fulll good year I’m on
I'm sorry, so you mean to tell me winning the biggest event of the year REGARDLESS of whatever else happened that year is a bad year? We've entered delusion idk what else to tell you.
Toph_ [#37]I'm sorry, so you mean to tell me winning the biggest event of the year REGARDLESS of whatever else happened that year is a bad year? We've entered delusion idk what else to tell you.
I didn’t say it was a bad year, but you can’t say they were good the whole year if they got grouped at two events in a row
They had 2 bad events, and then won the most important event. You decide what that means
I break it up as they were bad for the first 2/3rds insane for the last third
Uncleben [#36]I think we have different definitions of good year
I don’t consider it a good year if you don’t make an avg too 4ish placement for the year2024 isn’t a bad year for edg, but it’s a mid year if you look at the whole year
They have been the best team itw starting from champs until now since they are top 3 itw rn, so not yet a fulll good year I’m on
If you are at any point in a year the best team in the world, that's not a mid year. You have an interesting way of weighing title wins to say the least, agree to disagree on that front I suppose.
Toph_ [#39]If you are at any point in a year the best team in the world, that's not a mid year. You have an interesting way of weighing title wins to say the least, agree to disagree on that front I suppose.
I think I’ve not conveyed what I meant properly
I don’t mean it was a mid year, it was a great year, but they also weren’t good the whole year, if that makes sense
Can you call edg consistently good for a whole year if they got groups twice in a row then win?
You can say they overall achieved highly in 2024 since they won champs though
Uncleben [#38]I didn’t say it was a bad year, but you can’t say they were good the whole year if they got grouped at two events in a row
They had 2 bad events, and then won the most important event. You decide what that means
I break it up as they were bad for the first 2/3rds insane for the last third
I don't think you need to play good the entire year to say you had a good year, I do not value a run in a masters remotely close to the extent of winning a title.
Toph_ [#41]I don't think you need to play good the entire year to say you had a good year, I do not value a run in a masters remotely close to the extent of winning a title.
I agree with you there, you don’t need to be consistently good to have a good year, but to say that a team has been good all year =\ team has accomplished a lot this year
For an example, if sen failed to make champs last year, they would have still had a masters win in 2024 which is an accomplishment, but they wouldn’t have been good in all of 2024 since they only really played well 1/3rd of the year
But they would have had a good year
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