I've seen a lot of individuals saying that heybay should be dropped in order for Trace Esports to reach the next level. While I don't necessarily agree with that, I think that no one can dispute that GuanG probably walks into the team of just about every other CN team barring EDG. He's just crazy good.
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I fully believe that NOVA's roster on a good day can push Trace and win once given more time to develop a better map pool. People are underselling how good NOVA's roster is mechanically because they're never dominating, but literally all of their players have gone +20 at some point against other middle-pack teams
Ronyko23 [#2]Nah Nova def overtaking trace is china.Guan g clears chichoo ngl. Guan g is basically duelist aimer on sent like smoggy.
CHICHOO meshes better with EDG. Is a better site anchor and can flex onto smokes. CHICHOO is also much better at clutching.
Kaust [#6]CHICHOO meshes better with EDG. Is a better site anchor and can flex onto smokes. CHICHOO is also much better at clutching.
yeah. But no nova player is leaving any time soon. Their roster is good enough to make champs. If they fail then maybe even edg can look into cb ini flex with crazy fragging.
peetherium [#4]I fully believe that NOVA's roster on a good day can push Trace and win once given more time to develop a better map pool. People are underselling how good NOVA's roster is mechanically because they're never dominating, but literally all of their players have gone +20 at some point against other middle-pack teams
I don't like o0o0o, don't rate CB as much as I probably should, and I honestly do just think that NOVA are a 5th or 6th ranked team at best. I know that this isn't the most welcome of takes, but I don't quite think they have a better chance than a team like XLG after the team meshes better (also because I'm biased towards Viva).
Borge_heheheha [#3]heybay lowk fries sometimes (champs 2024 groups and that match against edg) but +guang would be crazy
That's what I'm saying, people kinda overhate him although he's actually improved a lot since Champs.
Ronyko23 [#7]yeah. But no nova player is leaving any time soon. Their roster is good enough to make champs. If they fail then maybe even edg can look into cb ini flex with crazy fragging.
And who would CB replace? Surely not their clinically insane IGL who ints it down mid every round, or their rookie who launches util like zeus launches lightning...
Kaust [#8]I don't like o0o0o, don't rate CB as much as I probably should, and I honestly do just think that NOVA are a 5th or 6th ranked team at best. I know that this isn't the most welcome of takes, but I don't quite think they have a better chance than a team like XLG after the team meshes better (also because I'm biased towards Viva).
it's easy to think this because outside of GuanG none of their players consistently put up great numbers and at any point it's only one other person who's on a tear, but literally all of the players outside of o0o0o (who's the igl anyways) have had games where they are massacring the enemy team on their own. I legit, fully and unironically believe that if (keyword IF) NOVA get their shit together in consistency they will be definitive top 3
peetherium [#13]it's easy to think this because outside of GuanG none of their players consistently put up great numbers and at any point it's only one other person who's on a tear, but literally all of the players outside of o0o0o (who's the igl anyways) have had games where they are massacring the enemy team on their own. I legit, fully and unironically believe that if (keyword IF) NOVA get their shit together in consistency they will be definitive top 3
I don't know, I just see NOVA as a B-tier team. Sure, Ezeir, CB are both solid fraggers, while SWERL aand GuanG are probably A-Tier in China, I just don't see them really toppling Trace Esports. However, something I noticed is that Trace does have a slight role issue. In particular, FengF cannot really play Cypher all too well, and that is slightly holding them back on maps where Kai has to play Neon/Jett.
Kaust [#10]And who would CB replace? Surely not their clinically insane IGL who ints it down mid every round, or their rookie who launches util like zeus launches lightning...
No changes are needed unless edg just bomb out in master 1 & 2.
lovekylin [#12]I swear Nova know they couldn't sell Guang.
I don't know who Nova's sponsor has but I can only hope they have deep pockets.
Kaust [#14]I don't know, I just see NOVA as a B-tier team. Sure, Ezeir, CB are both solid fraggers, while SWERL aand GuanG are probably A-Tier in China, I just don't see them really toppling Trace Esports. However, something I noticed is that Trace does have a slight role issue. In particular, FengF cannot really play Cypher all too well, and that is slightly holding them back on maps where Kai has to play Neon/Jett.
tbh I don't think China's at a point yet where we can say that fragging power is the definitive barrier for teams domestically. obviously Trace player-by-player is better because they're the golden standard of consistency now, but imo NOVA's potential peak is higher. though ig there's no use in dwelling on the 'what-ifs' because at the end of the day it is as it is. if they don't become consistent that's just proof that they're not at that caliber to begin with
Ronyko23 [#15]No changes are needed unless edg just bomb out in master 1 & 2.
I have some doubts against them bombing out but there's always a possibility.
peetherium [#17]tbh I don't think China's at a point yet where we can say that fragging power is the definitive barrier for teams domestically. obviously Trace player-by-player is better because they're the golden standard of consistency now, but imo NOVA's potential peak is higher. though ig there's no use in dwelling on the 'what-ifs' because at the end of the day it is as it is. if they don't become consistent that's just proof that they're not at that caliber to begin with
How are you feeling about All your Gamers at this moment?
Kaust [#14]I don't know, I just see NOVA as a B-tier team. Sure, Ezeir, CB are both solid fraggers, while SWERL aand GuanG are probably A-Tier in China, I just don't see them really toppling Trace Esports. However, something I noticed is that Trace does have a slight role issue. In particular, FengF cannot really play Cypher all too well, and that is slightly holding them back on maps where Kai has to play Neon/Jett.
They are def not b tier anymore.Got massive upgrade with ezier for obone. This roster is now good enough to roll any cn team -edg.There aren't many cn team that can just roll fpx & blg back 2 back with sub lol
Kaust [#19]How are you feeling about All your Gamers at this moment?
not good at all because I have zero idea what the fuck they're even doing. only thing that can replenish my hope is Fire3 pulling a coach masterclass and making them middle-pack by the end of the season but we ball regardless
Ronyko23 [#20]They are def not b tier anymore.Got massive upgrade with ezier for obone. This roster is now good enough to roll any cn team -edg.There aren't many cn team that can just roll fpx & blg back 2 back with sub lol
You say that, but FPX is under a massive transitioning period at the moment. They have just dropped their coach and started playing relatively more normal team compositions. BLG on the other hand, is still probably getting used to some of the player changes that they've undergone in the form of rushia (who, admittedly, has been a tad disappointing) + Levius.
peetherium [#22]not good at all because I have zero idea what the fuck they're even doing. only thing that can replenish my hope is Fire3 pulling a coach masterclass and making them middle-pack by the end of the season but we ball regardless
Who do you think AG's best lineup is?
Kaust [#24]Who do you think AG's best lineup is?
the one they have right now. we didn't see enough of TZH for me to prefer him over Bunt on smokes (also he was simply bad and underutilized)
peetherium [#25]the one they have right now. we didn't see enough of TZH for me to prefer him over Bunt on smokes (also he was simply bad and underutilized)
That's a rather sad reality to face though, no?
Kaust [#26]That's a rather sad reality to face though, no?
I wanna see them do well. I don't really care if they don't win. I like to follow them because they historically take a lot of risks in tier 2 and eventually strike gold. i'm simply along for the ride
peetherium [#27]I wanna see them do well. I don't really care if they don't win. I like to follow them because they historically take a lot of risks in tier 2 and eventually strike gold. i'm simply along for the ride
It's true a shame, because they looked like they had a lot of potential at the start of the last season...
peetherium [#13]it's easy to think this because outside of GuanG none of their players consistently put up great numbers and at any point it's only one other person who's on a tear, but literally all of the players outside of o0o0o (who's the igl anyways) have had games where they are massacring the enemy team on their own. I legit, fully and unironically believe that if (keyword IF) NOVA get their shit together in consistency they will be definitive top 3
Actually Nova have 4 player in data top 15 except o0o0o, this guy is antepenultimate.
src:https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Syf2YvE1E/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=2321deddeb8a9a22ccd06256676dd4a0
Kaust [#28]It's true a shame, because they looked like they had a lot of potential at the start of the last season...
I mean from the jump I knew it would be rocky because both Ego and Sword9 are REALLY good coaches and they'd be hard to replace. once they solidify their talent development pipeline then things will probably start to improve massively. assuming K1ra doesn't completely fall off a cliff I'd honestly expect them to rebuild the roster around him and deLb
lovekylin [#29]Actually Nova have 4 player in data top 15 except o0o0o, this guy is antepenultimate.
src:https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Syf2YvE1E/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=2321deddeb8a9a22ccd06256676dd4a0
LMFAOOOOOOOOO
peetherium [#30]I mean from the jump I knew it would be rocky because both Ego and Sword9 are REALLY good coaches and they'd be hard to replace. once they solidify their talent development pipeline then things will probably start to improve massively. assuming K1ra doesn't completely fall off a cliff I'd honestly expect them to rebuild the roster around him and deLb
Yeah, they have decent talent recruitment and development. I think they'll be able to steady the ship and potentially become a mid table team
Kaust [#32]Yeah, they have decent talent recruitment and development. I think they'll be able to steady the ship and potentially become a mid table team
yeah mid-pack would be a success. but imo it doesn't really matter too much since I see them completely rebuilding regardless of if they're last or 8th
peetherium [#33]yeah mid-pack would be a success. but imo it doesn't really matter too much since I see them completely rebuilding regardless of if they're last or 8th
Keep K1ra and deLb, and the rest of the flock can fly!
Kaust [#34]Keep K1ra and deLb, and the rest of the flock can fly!
crazy how I see no world where deLb leaves lol. high value mandarin-speaking import that historically produces numbers. K1ra's more iffy because of the potentially cracked (and cheaper) controller talent in academy. unfortunate but Bunt and Monk have probably outlived their shelf life (like a certain optic duo)
peetherium [#35]crazy how I see no world where deLb leaves lol. high value mandarin-speaking import that historically produces numbers. K1ra's more iffy because of the potentially cracked (and cheaper) controller talent in academy. unfortunate but Bunt and Monk have probably outlived their shelf life (like a certain optic duo)
The Bonk duo was once good ):
Hopefully AG pulls off a recruitment and development masterclass tho (:
Kaust [#36]The Bonk duo was once good ):
Hopefully AG pulls off a recruitment and development masterclass tho (:
I refuse to believe that valorant will be the ONE game they invest into where they don't produce results. If it doesn't happen next season then it will happen eventually. surely
Compact665 [#37]absolutely downgrade, guang is not the guy playing initiator
+rb would be better
He can play Senti, as they have been playing double Senti a good amount. He is also a better aimer.
peetherium [#38]I refuse to believe that valorant will be the ONE game they invest into where they don't produce results. If it doesn't happen next season then it will happen eventually. surely
It will always work out!
Kaust [#39]He can play Senti, as they have been playing double Senti a good amount. He is also a better aimer.
idk if they play double senti in all the maps, but if they need double initiator or anything else, FengF or Kai will be the flex and the team might be downgraded
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