my take on super teams

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kyro1

since the NRG failure i feel like super teams are getting doubted more than ever. with vitality and t1 this year i think its important to remember that 2 of the greatest teams we have seen were super teams when assembled. fnatic 2023 and loud 2022 were undoubtedly super teams and succeeded. NRG obviously had huge internal issues every single one of them hate each other now besides crashies and victor. but it doesnt mean every single team labeled a super team is doomed to fail. you will never see anything nearly as bad as nrg again.

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Loud 2022 was not a superteam huh

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ask any brazilian who is in to valorant it was but at that time most of the valorant community slept on all the other minor regions

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it wasnt tho saadhak and sacy had good status on brazil but aspas pancada and less were unproven until they won vct brazil and proceeded to get 2nd on masters in their first international

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kyro1

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what players in brazil were better than any of them in that role?

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mwzera heat

anyways loud 22 was not a superteam.. at all lol

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kyro1

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🤣🤣

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https://www.vlr.gg/24213/slick-vs-jaguares-esports-champions-tour-brazil-stage-3-challengers-1-ro16

less and aspas before panacada e amigos

they werent even tier 1 players lol

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Galactc

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Exactly loud we're a great team but you wouldn't call them a superteam with 2 experienced players a future prospect and 2 ranked demons a superteam thats a little much

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kyro1

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they didnt play seriously until pancada e amigos they were just playing for fun with friends. both were scouted by saadhak in ranked. we could argue about what makes a super team all day but really what it comes down to is. the brazilian scene believed loud was their 5 best players on every role and had very high hopes. they might not have been considered a super team by the general community because they all neglected minor regions even look at paper rex etc no team outside of eu or na were respected but they all found out very quickly. its only different because it happened so early in the games lifespan had loud been assembled now it would undoubtedly be a super team and everyone would think so.

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just admit when ur wrong lol

brazil isnt a minor region, aspas and less were just t2 players, no super team is built with t2 players who havent even touched international valorant

stop replying, they werent a superteam, and people rated them when LOUD picked them up because they had already been the best BR team, but they werent built a superteam

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kyro1

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brazil was a minor region

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at the moment loud made their team, the best jett and raze were heat and mwzera, the best sentinel wasnt really a thing tho because there werent a lot of cracked sentinels on brazil, maybe shion was the best, but the best controller was khalil, then less aspas sacy saadhak and pancada proved they are better than the others and it all changed forever

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i see what your trying to say and well sure that can be true it doesnt make it not a super team though. if you watched literally 1 game from either of the ranked prospects you could see they were better than mwzera or heat bro. this is just a lack of knowledge people who were invested in the brazilian scene at the time knew this was a super team at least in region again it was so early in the lifespan of the game it was never going to be considered a super team world wide because its a minor region but every found out very quickly how good all these players were

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hurr durr me watch rank game to say aspas > prime heat

heat was owning mfs at masters and champions by this stage of the game btw

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kyro1

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heat is in his prime now fam 🤣 he also happens to not play duelist sometimes you can just see talent bro there is a reason saadhak picked up aspas and not heat.

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That's not true tho? Yeah you could see they were talented but ranked is one thing, they had literally zero achievements before loud

If a team got nightz and canezerra today would you call them a super team? Yeah if OG loud reformed today they'd be a superteam, but they all became great plauers while on the team, not before

It's an entirely different situation to that of vit fnc or nrg at least that you gotta agree

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kyro1

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i think it was just at a different point in the games lifespan where people really didnt have a clue what was happening. the level of play was not especially high in 2022 nobody in the region of brazil outside of sacy and saadhak had really any accomplishments which is why it was considered a minor region. its most comparable to something like NRG 2025 now but the level of talent they picked up was better if you were familiar with the brazilian region. but yes i agree with you in that the expectations by the general community were nowhere near as high. but also if a team like OPTIC reformed it wouldnt be a super team. it was obviously a super team using hindsight and what we know about the game now.

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bro heat came from champions owning acend on breeze and getting a 7 round odd because of his team using a cypher cam and still match mvped that map and diffed prime cned, i know aspas was good on ranked but no way you think fresh aspas was the goat brazil duelist over him at that time wtf are you on

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kyro1

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https://www.vlr.gg/21730/slick-vs-vivo-keyd-copa-rakin-season-1-ubqf/?game=all&tab=overview
bro diffed him playing on a farmers team for fun dude the game was not serious back then you could drop a ranked prodigy nowadays into these games and they would farm bro there was no gap between ranked and pro it was just meta comps. i mean jesus christ bro zombs won a trophy is he top 5 na smokes players for the time???? fuckkk nooo if you had a brain and didnt just equate early wins = best player in the role

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how tf is that a diff heat got more kills and won there is a difference of .03 rating and 2 adr also wtf do you mean zombs, why is zombs relevant you are the one talking about superteams, aspas wasnt the best itw at that time and loud wasnt a super team because he wasnt relevant back then and slick was an org not a for fun team he was literally paid to play and grind how are you so ridiculous

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i was speaking to the level of the game bro and no slick is not an org with any salary bro. if zombs can win a trophy anyone could. what im trying to say is heat was not some untouchable player that a ranked prospect was so far below i mean aspas played better than him in a farmers match before he had good teammates. and then look what happens as soon as he gets picked up https://www.vlr.gg/77810/loud-vs-keyd-stars-champions-tour-brazil-stage-1-challengers-1-ubsf

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I don't think people expected 2022 LOUD to be that good

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People thought it was the best Brazil team before loud got them, but idk maybe there’s a gap there

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Yeah but it definitely wasnt classed as a superteam like 2023 fnc or 2024 NRG

note: navi was also classed as a superteam in 2023

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kyro1

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NAVI was like the LEV of last year they werent bad but they were never really a super team but got labeled as one falsely -ardiis +cNed is not a super team you can see that now same with lev

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We're ignoring that the other 4 were the best overall core in EMEA in 2022???

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kyro1

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-ardiis +cNed is literally a downgrade bro 😑

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Galactc

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They shit on everyone before loud got to them but that doesn't make them a superteam aspas and less were literally nobodies at the time of their forming to be a superteam everyone or a majority of the players have to be proven to be good they simply weren't yet

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kyro1

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i mean you can argue this is the same for teams now having 1-2 unproven players like kicks or sylvan or izu doesnt mean they arent super teams when you pick up unproven talent and mix it with proven. NRG is really the only exception because every single one of them had won something

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LOUD was a superteam for the brazilian scene, when they were just the absolute best 5 players in the region, internationally most people didnt really follow the BR scene and a lot of people trash talked BR as one of the worst regions in the game, LOUD became a superteam internationally when they started beating everyone outside of brazil too and only lost to 2 teams the entire year. They went from "worst region in the game" to World Champions, but initially very few people in the international community was paying attention to LOUD when it was first announced

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kyro1

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this ^

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T1 is not a superteam wtf 😭😭😭the only top 5 player in his role on that team is meteor

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kyro1

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its def a korean super team all of them are top 5 in korea easily maybe not globally they have to prove that but on paper the roster is up there and people in scene consider them one.

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this doesn't make any sense, you're narrowing it down to a country
there are FOUR korean teams in vct, of course most of the players are going to be top 5 in the country
made absolutely zero sense

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kyro1

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nah i disagree DRX this year has like 1 or 2 players who are top of their role in korea and both of GenG's new pick ups arent either. all of t1's players are.

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yes please give me players who are better than the current players with more credibility and not just tier 3 performances. ill wait, you know you can accept that you're wrong anytime.

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kyro1

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ok foxy9 imo isnt good i wouldnt put him near the top 5 sentinels ill name a few who are better udotan, freeing, flashback, meteor, rb
yoman i actually think is quite good but i wouldnt say hes top 5 without being an igl here are some who are better izu, lakia, ivy, kally, akame

as for drx mako and flashback are the only i would consider top 5 and the others

hyunmin is not top 5 here are 5 who imo are better buzz, t3xture, seoldam, dambi, sid
freeing is a role swap so i dont really know what to think of him i thought he was really good on sentinel but im not sure how to rate him so i cant for this
beyn has been promising for awhile but he did have a stinker of a champs like yoman i would say the 5 i said are all better

id admit i was wrong if i thought i was wrong but i do believe when you assemble all the best players from a top region you could be considered a super team.

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who the fuck considers T1 a super team 😹if being top 5 in your role over your country makes you a "super team" then there's like 10 super teams in franchising. look at vitality which is considered a super team then compare their players to T1. actually embarrassing for the vitality players to even be compared to them.

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kyro1

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was LEV considered a super team? yes. are any of them besides aspas top 5 in their role. no. its literally the same.

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it was debated whether lev was considered a super team or not, unlike NRG, Fnatic and Vitality who nearly everyone agrees were superteams. also they had c0m coming off a champs win and kingg who was always an insane player on a bad team.

literally just look at how many trophies total each team has across its player then compare it to T1 (big zero)

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kyro1

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meteor fam

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oh yeah I forgot, but either way point stands
T1: 1 trophy
Vitality: 3 trophies + much more high placements
NRG: 5 trophies

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kyro1

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vitality has 2 trophy winners fam

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kyro1

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also nrg is literally the only "super team" with 5 trophy winners and yet they werent the best what does that tell you

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you just dont know what a fucking superteam is LMFAO cant have mazino tex and kinggg on a roster and genuinely call it a superteam