Phoenix Buffs ideas?

What do you think, does Phoenix need a buff, or is he perfectly balanced?

I myself, think that he is almost perfectly balanced, but he is a bit on the weak side.
Personally i only play him on Haven, since i think he is very strong on that map, since he can easily get his ult, and his flashbangs match the frame of the map very well.
I think his ult is very strong, but everything else is just decent, his wall is definitely his most underwhelming ability.
But i think i have 2 fixes that could make him more viable.

Fix 1: Make it so that when you walk through his wall you instantly take 20 or 30 damage (might be a bit too strong i clutch situations, then the wall should maybe only last 6 seconds instead of 8)

Fix 2: Give him a passive, i have and idea myself that i think is pretty cool, make it so if phoenix gets 2 kills in one round he gets "fired up".
When he is in his "fired up" state, he will inflict a burn on the enemies when dealing bullet damage to them, making them take 20-30 damage over a period of 20 seconds.
This "fired up state" can only be activated once per round, and it should last for about 20 seconds.
Once an enemy is inflicted, it can`t be inflicted again making it so that the ability can`t stack.
Might be a bit to OP but its pretty cool idea i think?

I know its maybe some silly ideas but i think they would be somewhat cool?
What do you think he needs to be played more?

maybe a bit too op this is lol

ShadowisBAD [#2]

maybe a bit too op this is lol

agree

Honestly, none of his util is the best in game anymore

• flash - maybe give him 2 modes like kayo has.
• Molly - pretty good. Maybe increase radius a bit
• wall - more damage or more time
  People know how to counter his ult even
• increase the time of his ult by 8-10 seconds, so he can shift walk and wide swing as needed

ItsOnlyAGame [#4]

Honestly, none of his util is the best in game anymore

• flash - maybe give him 2 modes like kayo has.
• Molly - pretty good. Maybe increase radius a bit
• wall - more damage or more time
  People know how to counter his ult even
• increase the time of his ult by 8-10 seconds, so he can shift walk and wide swing as needed

I personally think his ult is good as it is, a bit longer would just lead to him being able to clear an entire site by himself. I haven't put too much thought on it but imo Phoenix's ult should give his replica more HP so that he can tank a lil' more damage. Maybe that's about it... Or maybe it feels too powerful

I think his flash needs to have a bigger arc
he should come back in meta after reyna and jett gets another nerf

ItsOnlyAGame [#4]

Honestly, none of his util is the best in game anymore

• flash - maybe give him 2 modes like kayo has.
• Molly - pretty good. Maybe increase radius a bit
• wall - more damage or more time
  People know how to counter his ult even
• increase the time of his ult by 8-10 seconds, so he can shift walk and wide swing as needed

increase by 8 seconds? jesus dude you could hold the bomb for half its timer with that shit then. No ty

Adjust his wall to deal more damage and make his molly lineup throwable.

You can easily dodge his flashes or you spam it because it won't last long anyway, that's his biggest downside.

buff his flash and healing of molly and he is good

I don't think he is a bad agent. He just has a very tough competition because of jett, raze and reyna.

1. Increase flash time by half a second maybe.

2. Allow him to cancel his ult by pressing X again. If you cancel, you keep your current position instead of reverting back to where you first casted it.

This creates a situation where opponents either respect the ult and give up space (which you can keep if you cancel in time without dying)

Or a situation where the opponents decide to not give up space and fight the ult. If they defeat you, you still gain value by having done damage /learned opponent positioning, but with minimal risk because you returned to your original spot which is currently the case.

And maaaybe don't lose all armour after run it back. returning with maybe 25 shield would be cool.

Phoenix is already a great agent, the issue is his competition is tough from jett raze and reyna.

ShadowisBAD [#2]

maybe a bit too op this is lol

Hi master yoda

kapteN [#7]

increase by 8 seconds? jesus dude you could hold the bomb for half its timer with that shit then. No ty

Yes. The point is i want to force people to fight his ult instead of waiting it out

shyftnot [#11]

I don't think he is a bad agent. He just has a very tough competition because of jett, raze and reyna.

his main competition is skye really

make his ult cost 1 orb and you can use it 6 times during one round

give him a jett dash

Make his flash faster

yungbasel [#12]

1. Increase flash time by half a second maybe.

2. Allow him to cancel his ult by pressing X again. If you cancel, you keep your current position instead of reverting back to where you first casted it.

This creates a situation where opponents either respect the ult and give up space (which you can keep if you cancel in time without dying)

Or a situation where the opponents decide to not give up space and fight the ult. If they defeat you, you still gain value by having done damage /learned opponent positioning, but with minimal risk because you returned to your original spot which is currently the case.

And maaaybe don't lose all armour after run it back. returning with maybe 25 shield would be cool.

Phoenix is already a great agent, the issue is his competition is tough from jett raze and reyna.

i like the ult idea for keeping position if u press x again

Make his Ult easier to get. Reduce Ult Points from 6 to 3. And maybe a 3rd flash.

The only issue with phx kit is his wall which mostly of the times is used for healing purposes.

I think if they buff the duration, fast up the deployment of the wall and also if they manage to be able to cancel it would be good enough imo

main problem with phoenix isn't even that he's weak, and he is, it's more that he has no identity to his kit

nothing he does, no part of his skillset is unique to him in a way that would make you ever pick phoenix over another duelist. when he came out i'm sure the idea behind him was "self sufficient duelist that can open sites and heal himself"

but as time goes on we see new agents come in that basically do each of his niches but better. when you think of pop flashes you think skye, when you think of self healing duelist you think reyna. even yoru, obviously the worst agent, has his own uniqueness to him that you can't easily replace the essence of with another agent.

I have no clue where to begin with improving phoenix. Imo he could benefit from a total rework, at least scrapping his current E (molly) and replacing it with something with more character to it, something that is uniquely "phoenix". maybe stem off of his firewall and give him more zoning capability?

alternatively you could have it so the wall and molly instantly heal him for the total (like 30hp/60hp respectively) so it's like he has more battle uptime rather than being forced to stew in his fire for 10 seconds before fighting again.

Rito=racist
Keeps nerfing raze
phoenix is bad
both blak duelists just getting worse
sadge

I’d like to see his wall have an effect like decay, Viper was never great because her wall never actually did much when you could walk through it and take 2 damage same with Phoenix. They could also make it longer

Imo his flashes also need buffed because they’re just a worse Skye flash that doesn’t give info. Maybe a faster pop time and a longer flash

ItsOnlyAGame [#4]

Honestly, none of his util is the best in game anymore

• flash - maybe give him 2 modes like kayo has.
• Molly - pretty good. Maybe increase radius a bit
• wall - more damage or more time
  People know how to counter his ult even
• increase the time of his ult by 8-10 seconds, so he can shift walk and wide swing as needed

His ult is long asf already

blanQ [#20]

Make his Ult easier to get. Reduce Ult Points from 6 to 3. And maybe a 3rd flash.

3 is maybe too low

EdmondN1 [#9]

You can easily dodge his flashes or you spam it because it won't last long anyway, that's his biggest downside.

easily dodge his flashes

nt

Simple buff.

1. Phoenix should be able to cancel his ult anytime
2. After using the ult he must have the shield if he bought one

ItsOnlyAGame [#14]

Yes. The point is i want to force people to fight his ult instead of waiting it out

trash idea

VALORANTisKINDAMEH [#27]

easily dodge his flashes

nt

I mean you can, unless you do that flash mechanic where it fast pops

ItsOnlyAGame [#14]

Yes. The point is i want to force people to fight his ult instead of waiting it out

he already has 1 of the best ults in the game if not the best so i dont think his ult is what needs the buff

EyeZagg [#28]

Simple buff.

1. Phoenix should be able to cancel his ult anytime
2. After using the ult he must have the shield if he bought one

this is actually a pretty good idea

Comparing it to Viper wall, Phoenix one is very short. I'd make the distance larger, and maybe some sort of burn efect when crossing it (10-30 damage) would be cool too. That would make it more viable, because now it's use is very limited (almost always you use it to combine with a flash).

Whatever they decide to do I hope it makes him more usable. He is my favorite agent.

VALORANTisKINDAMEH [#27]

easily dodge his flashes

nt

they're right tho, it's very easy to dodge

Salafi_Scholar [#34]

Whatever they decide to do I hope it makes him more usable. He is my favorite agent.

Yeah man, mine too. But unfortunately it's hard to justify him in the current meta. Hopefully they come out with some cool buffs

I think his util kit is amongst some of the weakest in the game right now, def have to buff that, but seriously, it took you guys this long to realize he needed a buff? he went from being a crucial pick for many to being a background character no one runs

I think Phoenix is fine. He will never be popular in pro play because he has probably the lowest skill ceiling of all the agents in the game.

phoenix flashes are easy to dodge. they need to decrease the flash pop time.
Increase molly time a bit.
wall more damage.
his ult is pretty balanced.