Bang > Zander

Idk what yall are smoking but this is sooo fkn clear to me! Zander is good but let's not forget veen mibr or Furia would wipe the floor with 95% of Challengers teams. You can't compare two players based off of VCT vs Challengers ACS battle.

Zander would be helpful if sen wants to be 2nd caller like sacy was

Edit: i just assumed sacy was 2nd caller like he was on loud

number1_cned_hater [#2]

Zander would be helpful if sen wants to be 2nd caller like sacy was

Edit: i just assumed sacy was 2nd caller like he was on loud

jaw and narrate wud be best to fill in

number1_cned_hater [#2]

Zander would be helpful if sen wants to be 2nd caller like sacy was

Edit: i just assumed sacy was 2nd caller like he was on loud

sacy wasn't the second caller bro. Where did you get that from? everyone can mid round, doesn't mean they are the second caller.

bro your team couldnt win shit until a challengers player saved you

Multiple tier 1 players have talked about how M80 was a great team to scrim and how they would get shit on by them. M80 clears most of franchising, especially against the bottom-tier Brazil teams like MIBR and Furia.

jakecid [#6]

Multiple tier 1 players have talked about how M80 was a great team to scrim and how they would get shit on by them. M80 clears most of franchising, especially against the bottom-tier Brazil teams like MIBR and Furia.

I get what you are saying but just remember scrim results don’t always translate to pro matches; take Talon for instance, they were destroying G2 in scrims but could they translate it to pro play? unfortunately not

catNmouse [#7]

I get what you are saying but just remember scrim results don’t always translate to pro matches; take Talon for instance, they were destroying G2 in scrims but could they translate it to pro play? unfortunately not

I get that, but that was champions format where they lose 2 matches and they're out. M80 in a regular split with time to adjust to the stage and pressure could still easily be top 5 in Americas. And its not like M80 wasn't showing their results, they've gotten second place in Ascension twice now; regardless, we'll never know how this roster could've performed against franchise teams.

number1_cned_hater [#2]

Zander would be helpful if sen wants to be 2nd caller like sacy was

Edit: i just assumed sacy was 2nd caller like he was on loud

isn't zellsis the second caller on SEN

Valid

jakecid [#8]

I get that, but that was champions format where they lose 2 matches and they're out. M80 in a regular split with time to adjust to the stage and pressure could still easily be top 5 in Americas. And its not like M80 wasn't showing their results, they've gotten second place in Ascension twice now; regardless, we'll never know how this roster could've performed against franchise teams.

Yeah that is true. Because only then can we really tell if they can be as good as other franchised teams

logistics101 [#9]

isn't zellsis the second caller on SEN

Yes, he is.

Bro what?

Did you not see three players who were on The Guard, now on G2 have a super successful year. Also Johnqt get on SEN and help them win a trophy. Also Wo0t, riens and miniboo get from t2 and have a very successful year with TH

Like bro so many of the best t2 players can do amazing in t1 if they get the chance

I agree too