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#1
eric_5008

Icebox is the worst map.

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cloudberry
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Breeze

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Yuh_aye
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Lotus and Abyss are worse, icebox is pretty bad tho

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catNmouse
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Ascent is the worst MAP

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SomeoneLikeU
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Breeze

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kanyefan4238173
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True

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eric_5008
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cloudberry [#2]

Breeze

Breeze is retake simulator but I play in gold and everyone just lurks on icebox. None of my teammates watch anything

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cloudberry
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eric_5008 [#7]

Breeze is retake simulator but I play in gold and everyone just lurks on icebox. None of my teammates watch anything

Then why don't you? Take matters into your own hands, why don'tcha

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cloudberry [#8]

Then why don't you? Take matters into your own hands, why don'tcha

I play viper mainly so I'm perma A or B bc no one likes playing her apparently. But im not the best so def a skill issue LUL

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eric_5008 [#9]

I play viper mainly so I'm perma A or B bc no one likes playing her apparently. But im not the best so def a skill issue LUL

I play Viper on Icebox, too. Here's what I'd do if I need to hold the entire map:

  • Throw the default wall on A, great for stall and for retakes
  • Put your orb on default plant on B
  • Play in and around Orange, Kitchen, and Tube. You can watch Mid pretty easily from under Tube (you can even op if you really want to), and you can combo your orb with a molly pretty quickly if they're planting on B

Definitely not a perfect setup but it gets the job done for the most part

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cloudberry [#10]

I play Viper on Icebox, too. Here's what I'd do if I need to hold the entire map:

  • Throw the default wall on A, great for stall and for retakes
  • Put your orb on default plant on B
  • Play in and around Orange, Kitchen, and Tube. You can watch Mid pretty easily from under Tube (you can even op if you really want to), and you can combo your orb with a molly pretty quickly if they're planting on B

Definitely not a perfect setup but it gets the job done for the most part

Ur the viper goat on VLR by now

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H3ENnZ [#11]

Ur the viper goat on VLR by now

I only really ever play her on Icebox, Abyss, and Ascent if we're running double controller. I literally have more tech for Harbor, Omen, Fade, Cypher, and maybe even Deadlock 😭

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cloudberry [#12]

I only really ever play her on Icebox, Abyss, and Ascent if we're running double controller. I literally have more tech for Harbor, Omen, Fade, Cypher, and maybe even Deadlock 😭

How is it playing her on Abyss? I usually play Astra or Omen on that map I barely see people playing viper can she replace spherical smokes on abyss?

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H3ENnZ [#13]

How is it playing her on Abyss? I usually play Astra or Omen on that map I barely see people playing viper can she replace spherical smokes on abyss?

She can't fully replace dome smokes but it's not uncommon to be running double controller, even in ranked (someone will often lock Omen or Clove). Her B wall is an incredible asset on defense and she can viably smoke everything off on attack (plus she has great lurk walls and lurk potential in general with mid)

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pearl

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cloudberry
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H3ENnZ [#13]

How is it playing her on Abyss? I usually play Astra or Omen on that map I barely see people playing viper can she replace spherical smokes on abyss?

That being said if you're running solo controller... Omen's a great choice, Astra's amazing on this map, but I highly recommend Harbor. He's really really good on this map and his cascades and cove are especially useful

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cloudberry [#14]

She can't fully replace dome smokes but it's not uncommon to be running double controller, even in ranked (someone will often lock Omen or Clove). Her B wall is an incredible asset on defense and she can viably smoke everything off on attack (plus she has great lurk walls and lurk potential in general with mid)

Ok thank you I play some harbour on this map as well and sometimes i feel like he is pretty good on this map in terms of taking mid or sealing off choke points

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H3ENnZ [#17]

Ok thank you I play some harbour on this map as well and sometimes i feel like he is pretty good on this map in terms of taking mid or sealing off choke points

Harbor is amazing on Abyss. Best agent in the game for controlling mid, only agent in the game that can viably smoke for A if you only want to take front site, and Leviatán have found some amazing use cases for Harbor on this map that you can reference if you ever want more ideas

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