Why is forsaken in GOAT debate?

He chokes in the most important times.
Just because he plays a lot of agents doesn't mean he's good.

Chronicle is 10x the flexs player and has the trophies to back it up.
Zellsis, Smoggy, and many other flex players are 10x better.

Could have said anyone but zellsis bro say wo0t otr someone else at least

this is just a biased post lmao
forsaken is rarely in goat debates, even in the rare ones hes only mentioned as a HM.
id love to hear ur list on better flex players than forsaken tho
bringing up trophies in a team game while ur comparing two different players not teams is also prob not the best measurement

be respectful to the goat

minus the sunset game vs EDG recently, i think f0rsaken brings alot of value and is very versatile at most agents if not all (id argue he’s mid on sova and cypher)

smoggy is 10x better than zellsis in terms of flex

f0rsaken is in debates some of the time not only cause of the fact that his agent poll is huge (though that definitely helps) hes also up ther cause of his consistency through the years yes the last two events he hasnt been the best but looking at him through the years show how good of a player he is you have to remember that he was a duelist beforehand which is such a hard transition to make but it works out massively if it does

Last year maybe yes, people were impressed with how he flexed to every role when he was the team's Jett player for a very long time - he went to KJ, Harbor, Skye, Fade etc - I believe many would agree his flexibility was a huge part of the reason why PRX had great standings last year after something joined - 1st in Pacific, 3rd in Tokyo and 2nd in Champs.

But this year his Harbor and Cypher has been minimal and lackluster, nobody really talks about him anymore, as should be with how badly the team performed in contrast to last year.

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i dont agree

ur right. when hes on breach or sova he has some of the worst util in franchising. his cypher is also just as bad except he frags even worse on it.

he is a good flex but he plays too many agents to compensate for jinggg and something being inflexible

Chronicle is the Goat. Dude has been consistent and has trophies to back it up. Forsaken has been consistent as well, but h ain't a winner yet. Atleast Tenz had 2 good years and won trophies, but Forsaken is far from Goat status.