sen vs heretics map veto pred

lil yap session included without bias

SEN ban Bind
TH ban Ascent
SEN pick Haven
TH pick Sunset
SEN ban Icebox
TH ban Abyss
Decider Lotus

I think that this map veto is really hard to predict cause both teams are on a upswing in champs and sen their map pool has changed a little (icebox isnt their perma ban anymore for example) while heretics have changed some of their comps from neon to raze. I do think there is a chance sen dont ban bind first but it does look like a map where heretics is way better at. I could see sen ban sunset instead cause they cant win more than 4 defensive rounds to safe their life. but i do think that this is the map veto that would be the best for both teams and the map veto that is most likely to happen.
I do think the match can be close or be one sided but I think we will have a similar match like they had in masters madrid but i think that heretics will win this time with a 2-1.

This is a pretty likely playout of the bans i'd say, don't think sen will ban bind over abyss though. I think they'd rather play bind.

alchemy02 [#2]

This is a pretty likely playout of the bans i'd say, don't think sen will ban bind over abyss though. I think they'd rather play bind.

sen still havent shown their abyss and they can still anti heretics abyss so I do think they will float abyss and ban bind cause heretics can anti them on bind while on abyss they have to adapt mid game which is harder

Gedion [#3]

sen still havent shown their abyss and they can still anti heretics abyss so I do think they will float abyss and ban bind cause heretics can anti them on bind while on abyss they have to adapt mid game which is harder

You're probably right actually, I just think playing a map you haven't played before in this stage of the tournament is super risky. Last time they played bind Sen won as well in Madrid, but lot has changed since then. It'll be interesting to see, I just believe Heretics has the advantage when it comes to map pool.

alchemy02 [#2]

This is a pretty likely playout of the bans i'd say, don't think sen will ban bind over abyss though. I think they'd rather play bind.

They actually might since none of the teams know how they play on abyss and Drew mentioned that they have a few surprises prepared on it.

Lotus
Haven
Sunset

youre probably spot on. only other thing i could see being changed is the bans for icebox/abyss being swapped. sen has let abyss slide but i dont know if they are gonna be comfortable letting it slide as a decider third map when they havent even played it once yet. either way lotus will be map 3 most likely even if sen decides to ban abyss, heretics will most likely ban icebox and play lotus

why is th banning ascent when ascent is sen perma ban?

KKarna [#8]

why is th banning ascent when ascent is sen perma ban?

it isn't sen's perma + it is Heretics' perma

KKarna [#8]

why is th banning ascent when ascent is sen perma ban?

sen floated ascent and banned haven against fnatic cause haven is a way better map for fnatic than ascent and because heretics perma ban ascent i think sen will float it again cause heretics have maps where they are way better at that are worth banning more than ascent which heretics will probably ban

I agree with you

SEN ban Bind
TH ban Haven
SEN pick Lotus
TH pick Sunset
SEN ban Abyss
TH ban Ascent
Decider Icebox

my explanation:

I know its a hot take maybe that TH wont ban Ascent first but I can see that happen actually cuz surely SEN wont pick Ascent right? Instead they would pick Lotus instead of Haven maybe. That would be better for TH aswell. Even tho SEN is decent on Sunset aswell they will pick it because they felt really good against DRX. So I think we'll see Lotus and Sunset for sure. Decider Map is interesting. Heretics came close on Icebox against LEV which is the best team on Icebox currently. So its either Abyss or Icebox in this scenario because Heretics will ban Ascent surely. I don't think SEN will take the risky choice and playing Abyss. Risky choices didn't really work out for them with playing deadlock for example and heretics has a lot of footage to look at on icebox and they did a lot of mistakes.

Thats just my prediction but I can see anything happen.
Lotus and Sunset has the highest chance for me to be played.

Some other scenarios I could see happening:

TH ban Ascent first so SEN will pick Haven first (like ur explanation)

SEN won't ban Bind first (instead Abyss, Icebox or Sunset)

SEN ban Sunset so TH will pick Bind instead maybe (I don't think that will happen cuz they're more comfortable on Sunset)

SEN playing Abyss as Decider (would be really surprising)

FAVOURR [#12]

SEN ban Bind
TH ban Haven
SEN pick Lotus
TH pick Sunset
SEN ban Abyss
TH ban Ascent
Decider Icebox

my explanation:

I know its a hot take maybe that TH wont ban Ascent first but I can see that happen actually cuz surely SEN wont pick Ascent right? Instead they would pick Lotus instead of Haven maybe. That would be better for TH aswell. Even tho SEN is decent on Sunset aswell they will pick it because they felt really good against DRX. So I think we'll see Lotus and Sunset for sure. Decider Map is interesting. Heretics came close on Icebox against LEV which is the best team on Icebox currently. So its either Abyss or Icebox in this scenario because Heretics will ban Ascent surely. I don't think SEN will take the risky choice and playing Abyss. Risky choices didn't really work out for them with playing deadlock for example and heretics has a lot of footage to look at on icebox and they did a lot of mistakes.

Thats just my prediction but I can see anything happen.
Lotus and Sunset has the highest chance for me to be played.

Some other scenarios I could see happening:

TH ban Ascent first so SEN will pick Haven first (like ur explanation)

SEN won't ban Bind first (instead Abyss, Icebox or Sunset)

SEN ban Sunset so TH will pick Bind instead maybe (I don't think that will happen cuz they're more comfortable on Sunset)

SEN playing Abyss as Decider (would be really surprising)

There is a chance that sen have prepared an ascent on the days off so if heretics float it i could see sen picking it but i can see the rest happening

FAVOURR [#12]

SEN ban Bind
TH ban Haven
SEN pick Lotus
TH pick Sunset
SEN ban Abyss
TH ban Ascent
Decider Icebox

my explanation:

I know its a hot take maybe that TH wont ban Ascent first but I can see that happen actually cuz surely SEN wont pick Ascent right? Instead they would pick Lotus instead of Haven maybe. That would be better for TH aswell. Even tho SEN is decent on Sunset aswell they will pick it because they felt really good against DRX. So I think we'll see Lotus and Sunset for sure. Decider Map is interesting. Heretics came close on Icebox against LEV which is the best team on Icebox currently. So its either Abyss or Icebox in this scenario because Heretics will ban Ascent surely. I don't think SEN will take the risky choice and playing Abyss. Risky choices didn't really work out for them with playing deadlock for example and heretics has a lot of footage to look at on icebox and they did a lot of mistakes.

Thats just my prediction but I can see anything happen.
Lotus and Sunset has the highest chance for me to be played.

Some other scenarios I could see happening:

TH ban Ascent first so SEN will pick Haven first (like ur explanation)

SEN won't ban Bind first (instead Abyss, Icebox or Sunset)

SEN ban Sunset so TH will pick Bind instead maybe (I don't think that will happen cuz they're more comfortable on Sunset)

SEN playing Abyss as Decider (would be really surprising)

TH has a crazy new song on Heaven according to leaks so bad

Gedion [#13]

There is a chance that sen have prepared an ascent on the days off so if heretics float it i could see sen picking it but i can see the rest happening

Not impossible but SEN lost against almost every team on ascent so I don't think they feel really comfortable on this map. Also Heretics wasn't even bad on ascent. They just don't like playing it kinda

cocow7k [#14]

TH has a crazy new song on Heaven according to leaks so bad

new song?? wdym