It’s a very interesting read.
TDLR: Money teams used to get from Riot used to be 300k fixed + 400k based on content creation objectives + bonuses for reaching events + bundle and champs skin money. Now the 400k on content creation objectives is deleted and instead the 300k fixed are bumped to 400k
Other stuff he mentions is that teams are not happy because it’s less money and they were given very short notice. Also bundles will most likely have an upgrade for 2025 so they can keep selling them
TeoEmil [#2]Virus link don’t click
It’s an anonimotum report
https://x.com/anonimotum/status/1820856628297789872?s=46
Mortadelo [#10]Yeah it kinda sucks, i don’t get why not expand it to other guns
The oficial excuse is that "You get a classic every round, we want to give you an opportunity to always represent your team"
Mortadelo [#10]Yeah it kinda sucks, i don’t get why not expand it to other guns
I think it's probably not wanting to anger the public(people hate expensive shit unless you market them well) , and ( purely opinion) I don't think many watch org's contents anyway ( except from SEN , 100T , and other content org) .
Good change, content creation by team is kinda bad :/
Just hiring a costreamer that would have costream anyway even without money, isnt a well invested money. Sen did some intresting videos but this money will be probably be better invested somewhere else :/
but I'm open to counter argument in peace in respect if you guys have ideas !
I'm gonna get flamed for this but, Riot kinda did the right thing here.
There aren't many partnered orgs who makes tons of views anyways. Aside from SEN , ZETA , 100T and few others, there aren't a lot of money to be made off their contents.
You don't wanna " sell new gun skin ( DFM phantom skin for example), because :
To me, this seemed like riot finally stop being silly and handling this realistically. Tha's not to say things will stay the same. To quote from Anonimotum :
"From Sheep Esports, we contacted Riot Games, and they made the following comment: “We adjust the team payment structure every year."
IonlywatchvcjXD [#15]I'm gonna get flamed for this but, Riot kinda did the right thing here.
There aren't many partnered orgs who makes tons of views anyways. Aside from SEN , ZETA , 100T and few others, there aren't a lot of money to be made off their contents.
You don't wanna " sell new gun skin ( DFM phantom skin for example), because :
- Not every team has a lot of fans ( who goes out their way to buy bleed bundle?)
- Unless you market your bundle well , Skins are seen as expensive especially when your audience plays this game for free.
To me, this seemed like riot finally stop being silly and handling this realistically. Tha's not to say things will stay the same. To quote from Anonimotum :
"From Sheep Esports, we contacted Riot Games, and they made the following comment: “We adjust the team payment structure every year."
stick to vcj bud
Liwus [#16]stick to vcj bud
other regions' well being can influence things in VCJ, so as long as it still concerns VCJ I'll be sticking here lol
Liwus [#11]The oficial excuse is that "You get a classic every round, we want to give you an opportunity to always represent your team"
Sure, but they already got that one, now add more
IonlywatchvcjXD [#13]I think it's probably not wanting to anger the public(people hate expensive shit unless you market them well) , and ( purely opinion) I don't think many watch org's contents anyway ( except from SEN , 100T , and other content org) .
I don’t really understand what you mean
Mortadelo [#19]I don’t really understand what you mean
tldr;
Liwus [#11]The oficial excuse is that "You get a classic every round, we want to give you an opportunity to always represent your team"
can't they just make knife skins? like gloves or maybe even a flag could work
r*t0 will sell each one for $100 though
IonlywatchvcjXD [#20]tldr;
- Bundles are expensive
- Not all orgs are sentinels
But I still don’t get it, other guns would be expensive, sure. But you’re not removing the ones you already have. I would me more mad at an upgrade I have to pay for to the gun I already have than at a new skin that I don’t have to buy if I don’t want
Anguibok [#14]Good change, content creation by team is kinda bad :/
Just hiring a costreamer that would have costream anyway even without money, isnt a well invested money. Sen did some intresting videos but this money will be probably be better invested somewhere else :/but I'm open to counter argument in peace in respect if you guys have ideas !
How is giving the teams less money a good change. There’s literally no positive part about it?
If you thought content from orgs was bad when they got paid for it, imagine now that they don’t have an incentive for it
Mortadelo [#23]How is giving the teams less money a good change. There’s literally no positive part about it?
If you thought content from orgs was bad when they got paid for it, imagine now that they don’t have an incentive for it
Because this money will be used for something else, and with the poor relult this system has (team content creation seems bad)
We gonna pass from almost no content without a lot of work to no content, sure, it's a little bit less content, but they are no way this money isnt use better
IonlywatchvcjXD [#15]I'm gonna get flamed for this but, Riot kinda did the right thing here.
There aren't many partnered orgs who makes tons of views anyways. Aside from SEN , ZETA , 100T and few others, there aren't a lot of money to be made off their contents.
You don't wanna " sell new gun skin ( DFM phantom skin for example), because :
- Not every team has a lot of fans ( who goes out their way to buy bleed bundle?)
- Unless you market your bundle well , Skins are seen as expensive especially when your audience plays this game for free.
To me, this seemed like riot finally stop being silly and handling this realistically. Tha's not to say things will stay the same. To quote from Anonimotum :
"From Sheep Esports, we contacted Riot Games, and they made the following comment: “We adjust the team payment structure every year."
I think we need to be worried about clubs financial stability, not about Riot’s financial stability. Them keeping more money instead of giving it out to teams is not by any means something positive. It’s not like mfs at Riot ain’t making more than enough. 15M a year for Riot is no big deal, it’s barely half of what they make off of the champs skin
And about selling other skins. You can doubt how many people are gonna buy them, I don’t, but even if you do. Isn’t selling some and helping the teams better than not doing it? What is the negative part about it? It’s all positives?
Anguibok [#25]Because this money will be used for something else, and with the poor relult this system has (team content creation seems bad)
We gonna pass from almost no content without a lot of work to no content, sure, it's a little bit less content, but they are no way this money isnt use better
Used better by who? Riot? Have you read the news? They go from 300k+ 400k Optional, to just 400k. There is no other use for the money, it’s Riot keeping it for profit instead
Mortadelo [#27]Used better by who? Riot? Have you read the news? They go from 300k+ 400k Optional, to just 400k. There is no other use for the money, it’s Riot keeping it for profit instead
More map, more agent, more weapon, more T2 league, more money to T2 they are many way to invest
Anguibok [#28]More map, more agent, more weapon, more T2 league, more money to T2 they are many way to invest
I’m sorry to break it to you but that is definitely not how it works
They’re keeping the money
Anguibok [#25]Because this money will be used for something else, and with the poor relult this system has (team content creation seems bad)
We gonna pass from almost no content without a lot of work to no content, sure, it's a little bit less content, but they are no way this money isnt use better
That money was surely being used to pay for salaries for the players/staff. Many teams will likely have to downsize. There is no good outcome from this
Apart from few teams, content creation doesn't do too much in valorant.... The costreams and watch party are the main parts that brings views, so are the incentives to hold in-person watchparty and co-streams also removed or are those fall into some other category? Also I hope the money gets invested in some way rather than just taking it out
Answers [#31]Apart from few teams, content creation doesn't do too much in valorant.... The costreams and watch party are the main parts that brings views, so are the incentives to hold in-person watchparty and co-streams also removed or are those fall into some other category? Also I hope the money gets invested in some way rather than just taking it out
Costreams were part of that content creation bonuses. Anonimotum mentions how many teams were signing streamers to costream and now might have an issue
Mortadelo [#29]I’m sorry to break it to you but that is definitely not how it works
They’re keeping the money
Keeping the money for ? dividend ?
Mortadelo [#29]I’m sorry to break it to you but that is definitely not how it works
They’re keeping the money
theyre cutting the costs. not "keeping the money". they dont have that much money (to spend on val esports).
Anguibok [#28]More map, more agent, more weapon, more T2 league, more money to T2 they are many way to invest
more shit maps
more busted agents
more overpriced skins
more bad tier 2 managers
more money taken from tier 2
hell_on_earth [#34]theyre cutting the costs. not "keeping the money". they dont have that much money (to spend on val esports).
Well they clearly do, because they already have and they’re definitely profitable af. It’s just that investing that money into the scene is not gonna give them a return short term and cutting down those costs is
Mortadelo [#26]I think we need to be worried about clubs financial stability, not about Riot’s financial stability. Them keeping more money instead of giving it out to teams is not by any means something positive. It’s not like mfs at Riot ain’t making more than enough. 15M a year for Riot is no big deal, it’s barely half of what they make off of the champs skin
And about selling other skins. You can doubt how many people are gonna buy them, I don’t, but even if you do. Isn’t selling some and helping the teams better than not doing it? What is the negative part about it? It’s all positives?
(Nvm the math is wrong , for those who have read this initially)(wait maybe my math is right 😭)
"Sales" aren't net profit so we need to add cost. And the costs are surely ain't cheap. So we can just assume riot doesn't make a lot. This isn't league.
Profit are meant to :
If you want to convince shareholders that you are doing good, better pay those dividends(assuming that valirant is handled by separate company , but my point is This money is going to owner's pocket for good or bad reasons)
Or you can reinvest onto valorant back , but DEFINITELY NOT on blackhole orgs.
There is no point in flushing your money to clubs that are essentially blackholes. They ain't producing any content soon and even if they do don't expect a sentinels level of popularity.
Riot is a company , not a charity, I dont know what y'all are expecting when riot's said "partnerships", but my dumbass can guarantee its not sunshine and rainbows type of partnerships. You can't just expect sentinels to carry your club if you can't make money. I think riot partnerships environment is suffering from free rider problem ( look it up its a real term, although it's a bit of stretch(?) in this case)) and this is how riot intends to solve the issue.
But hey , this is just a theory from a marketing major kid who thinks he's smart 🤣🤣🤣😭
IonlywatchvcjXD [#38](Nvm the math is wrong , for those who have read this initially)(wait maybe my math is right 😭)
"Sales" aren't net profit so we need to add cost. And the costs are surely ain't cheap. So we can just assume riot doesn't make a lot. This isn't league.
Profit are meant to :
If you want to convince shareholders that you are doing good, better pay those dividends(assuming that valirant is handled by separate company , but my point is This money is going to owner's pocket for good or bad reasons)
Or you can reinvest onto valorant back , but DEFINITELY NOT on blackhole orgs.
There is no point in flushing your money to clubs that are essentially blackholes. They ain't producing any content soon and even if they do don't expect a sentinels level of popularity.
Riot is a company , not a charity, I dont know what y'all are expecting when riot's said "partnerships", but my dumbass can guarantee its not sunshine and rainbows type of partnerships. You can't just expect sentinels to carry your club if you can't make money. I think riot partnerships environment is suffering from free rider problem ( look it up its a real term, although it's a bit of stretch(?) in this case)) and this is how riot intends to solve the issue.
But hey , this is just a theory from a marketing major kid who thinks he's smart 🤣🤣🤣😭
You need to add more context to everything you say cause I'm still lost af
Why 60? 12 teams x 4 leagues is 48. 48 x 300k is 14.4M in fixed money they will be giving out. Champs bundle alone raised 20M last year for Riot but it's raising more every year
That alone covers the cost of money they're saving with this change. And no costs are not really a thing, the salary of the people who make the skins is not worth that much. I have no clue but it can't take more than 2 weeks to make between a team. Rest of the year they make other bundles who I'm sure raise way more than 20M each. The profits are massive 100%
And about the orgs, they do need that money to make this profitable. Rn an ascended team has huge costs not covered by that 400k, could be losing almost a million to not even retain their spot. UCAM CEO was saying the other way how the cost for an EMEA team to Ascend in the first year is surrounding 2M iirc
Mortadelo [#39]You need to add more context to everything you say cause I'm still lost af
Why 60? 12 teams x 4 leagues is 48. 48 x 300k is 14.4M in fixed money they will be giving out. Champs bundle alone raised 20M last year for Riot but it's raising more every yearThat alone covers the cost of money they're saving with this change. And no costs are not really a thing, the salary of the people who make the skins is not worth that much. I have no clue but it can't take more than 2 weeks to make between a team. Rest of the year they make other bundles who I'm sure raise way more than 20M each. The profits are massive 100%
And about the orgs, they do need that money to make this profitable. Rn an ascended team has huge costs not covered by that 400k, could be losing almost a million to not even retain their spot. UCAM CEO was saying the other way how the cost for an EMEA team to Ascend in the first year is surrounding 2M iirc
60 ( 12 x 4 leagues + 16 "parts" more for those who qualed to champs) x 300k = 18M
I might be pedantic but salaries aren't just going to people who make the skins, there's a lot more people to pay , and it's not just salaries ( don't ask me what the other costs are, I did an all-nighter on my accounting and forgot them all lol). So yeah I think the cost might not be that high as I made them to be, but it's still high enough for riot to be concerned( speculation).
" " And about the orgs, they do need that money to make this profitable." "
By that point it's no longer profitable, they're just being kept afloat by riot.
Maybe riot tried to allocate that money to somewhere else, no matter how you see it investing them into orgs like mibr, eg and bleed just doesn't make sense.
Riot could be adjusting to the audience(maybe there is a downward trend?) and probably adjust the investments riot should make
at this point, I'm just stating theory as to why riot does this lol
Mortadelo [#8]Thanks for all the bank passwords guys, will put them to good use
LMFAOOOOO I’m dying of laughter bro
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