Role Goats:
Duelist: Aspas
Initiator: Leo
Flex: Chronicle
Sentinel: Less/Alfajer
IGL: Boaster
Controller: MaKo
Miscellaneous Goats:
Clout: TenZ
Lurker: nAts
Clutcher: Shao
Best Clutch: Ardiis 1v3 against DRX Champions 2022
Coldest Defuse: Enzo 1v3 against Leviatan Copenhagen 2022
Operator: cNed
One-trick Performance: Yay Chamber
Raze Mechanics: Nukkye
Omen One-ways: Bonecold
Best Inting: Ange1
Best Omen-Tp Throws: Ange1/Redgar
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zhongZHI [#6]Operator is kangkang. cNed got diffed in tokyo in that navi game. tbh they both equal but peak wise def kangkang
peak wise definitely cNed. You dont know the kind of monster cned was and still is. KK is up there tho for sure but cNed has been the undisputed since 2021
DeluluGavin [#10]peak wise definitely cNed. You dont know the kind of monster cned was and still is. KK is up there tho for sure but cNed has been the undisputed since 2021
cned destroyed us at champs 2021 gf
StutterSt3p [#8]forsaken > Chronicle for flex and Saadhak > Boaster for IGL.
no lmao.
how is Saadhak > Boaster when Boaster has been better IGL than Saadhak for 3 years (2021, 2023, and 2024)
Boaster has been good in every year, has more trophies, and better scouting (I think we works together with mini for that though)
f0rsaken > Chronicle??????????????????????????
Chronicle again, has been good for every year of valorant 2021-2024 (unlike f0rsaken, who has been good 2022-2024), has more trophies (3 > 0), has more finals (3 > 2), and Chronicle has been on 2 different legendary teams that were the best of a year.
Gambit was the best team of 2021. Fnatic was the best team of 2023.
zhongZHI [#6]Operator is kangkang. cNed got diffed in tokyo in that navi game. tbh they both equal but peak wise def kangkang
you are a new user so I understand why you dont think cNed goat operator. but 2021 cNed clears every operator to date.
Xerulo [#4]I'd argue saadhak for igl goat.
I used to say Saadhak, but I changed my mind this split (Stage 2 2024)
check #13 in the thread
DeluluGavin [#9]This role goats are very valid. Depending on the Champions 2024 result, a few roles might change tho
W
StutterSt3p [#8]forsaken > Chronicle for flex and Saadhak > Boaster for IGL.
sorry but boaster's igling is overlooked due to his decrease in firepower but he got a bit of it back + 2021-2024, boaster has always had a very good igling. Saadhak is amazing but boaster is just better in terms of longetivity, peak, trophies, etc.
Im not even going to argue for chronicle, because its just crystal clear that chronicle is a better flex since 2021
sentinelmain377 [#13]no lmao.
how is Saadhak > Boaster when Boaster has been better IGL than Saadhak for 3 years (2021, 2023, and 2024)
Boaster has been good in every year, has more trophies, and better scouting (I think we works together with mini for that though)f0rsaken > Chronicle??????????????????????????
Chronicle again, has been good for every year of valorant 2021-2024 (unlike f0rsaken, who has been good 2022-2024), has more trophies (3 > 0), has more finals (3 > 2), and Chronicle has been on 2 different legendary teams that were the best of a year.
Gambit was the best team of 2021. Fnatic was the best team of 2023.
So if Boaster is an IGL better than Saadhak, how come FNC lost twice to LOUD at champs 2023?
DeluluGavin [#10]peak wise definitely cNed. You dont know the kind of monster cned was and still is. KK is up there tho for sure but cNed has been the undisputed since 2021
hm idk. all ik is that tokyo kangkang was something you didnt wanna peak fosho
sentinelmain377 [#15]you are a new user so I understand why you dont think cNed goat operator. but 2021 cNed clears every operator to date.
nah i know hes goat 2021 but all i got in my head is that whiff he had on kangkang who was still in ot which mightve allowed edg to go on that run
zhongZHI [#21]hm idk. all ik is that tokyo kangkang was something you didnt wanna peak fosho
we are looking at best awper of all time/goat and I value longevity higher, and cNed was also an anomaly that you didn't want to peak. All in all, cNed takes the dub for me
sentinelmain377 [#15]you are a new user so I understand why you dont think cNed goat operator. but 2021 cNed clears every operator to date.
Cned did it in 2021 while kangkang did it in 2023, you can't compare cned to kangkang + objectively, kangkang had higher accuracy than cned, there's a literal stat that proves that
StutterSt3p [#20]So if Boaster is an IGL better than Saadhak, how come FNC lost twice to LOUD at champs 2023?
so if BLG IGL beat FNS twice, BLG IGL is better than FNS for all time ranking??
nice logic.
zhongZHI [#21]hm idk. all ik is that tokyo kangkang was something you didnt wanna peak fosho
cned is the reason there is a avoid x player strat because that's what 100t did against acend
cned aura too strong
zhongZHI [#21]hm idk. all ik is that tokyo kangkang was something you didnt wanna peak fosho
100T had to avoid cned to win a map
Diebs [#28]cned is the reason there is a avoid x player strat because that's what 100t did against acend
cned aura too strong
fr W
the 100T comeback was too funny lmao
sentinelmain377 [#30]fr W
the 100T comeback was too funny lmao
especially the nitr0 jett knife kill on cned from B site pillar to ct
sentinelmain377 [#27]so if BLG IGL beat FNS twice, BLG IGL is better than FNS for all time ranking??
nice logic.
Bruh, are you just forgetting Saadhak is a champs winning IGL?
StutterSt3p [#32]Bruh, are you just forgetting Saadhak is a champs winning IGL?
Boaster has had a better result than Saadhak in 8/12 Stages as well (despite sometimes having bots like Mistic Magnum and Enzo on his team):
Reykjavik 2021
Berlin 2021(both teams didnt attend, but FNC > Vikings)
Champions 2021
Copenhagen 2022
LOCK//IN 2023
Tokyo 2023
Shanghai 2024
Champions 2024
StutterSt3p [#8]forsaken > Chronicle for flex and Saadhak > Boaster for IGL.
f0rsaken is better mechanically and as an individual player imo, but he has to win at least a champs or two masters before this becomes a convo
Fixes:
Sentinel - Less is by himself(chamber isn't a sentinel). He gapped Alfa 3-0, and they were BIG gaps. By the end of August it might be Meteor
IGL - Currently Saadhak. When Saadhak had a superteam built for him, he went through Optic to become a world champion. When Boaster had a superteam built him, it was Saadhak stopped him from being a world champion. He's also just straight up the better player. By the end of August it might be Munchkin.
Op - Aspas for all-time, yay for prime. HM to Nivera (he was nice, rewatch those vods)
Raze Mechanics: First of all, get off the drugs. Jawgemo or Jingg (nukkye still living off of one clip to this day huh?)
Additions:
Classic - Unironically Zellsis
Shorty - Something, HM to twisten <3
Flash Init - Ethan
Post-round Scream - Yetujey
Missing Raze Ults/Ults - You know exactly who
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