both of them have been flawless atm, but their opponents havent been great
SEN:
they beat NRG which is mid atm
same with KRU
C9 was a cointoss on whether oxy shoots back or not (he didnt)
their last game decides if they're truly back (g2)
FNC:
all of the teams they faced are mid (i thought kc would be a tough game but guess what, theyre mid aswell)
idk if i would put liquid in a good/champs team category
south_america_best_region [#6]yeah if you base how good teams are depending the teams they faced youre dumb
well we saw lev in shanghai and fnatic in shanghai...
idkmanwth [#7]well we saw lev in shanghai and fnatic in shanghai...
what does that have to do with what we are talking about???????????????
south_america_best_region [#8]what does that have to do with what we are talking about???????????????
leviatan looked like a strong team in split 1 and fnatic won split 1, but after their performances in shanghai, lev just faced either mid teams or burnout teams, fnatic lost matches against the strong teams aswell
sussybaka [#11]sentiluls got 2 trophies solely because of luck, they are not better than the runner up team in that tournament btw.
then tell the other teams to get better luck
sussybaka [#11]sentiluls got 2 trophies solely because of luck, they are not better than the runner up team in that tournament btw.
1/10 bait. nt
sussybaka [#11]sentiluls got 2 trophies solely because of luck, they are not better than the runner up team in that tournament btw.
i wouldnt say luck, because sen thrashed us 3-0 in the finals, and the last map on 24 madrid was all sen, but yeah i would agree than the runners up were as good as sen were
idkmanwth [#9]leviatan looked like a strong team in split 1 and fnatic won split 1, but after their performances in shanghai, lev just faced either mid teams or burnout teams, fnatic lost matches against the strong teams aswell
imma copypaste what I told to another guy
if you think lev played well in split 1 you're crazy...
vs C9: trash
vs SEN: aspas hard carried
vs NRG: they played like shit, lev just punished them
vs G2: they still were not at their best and still took a map
vs KRÜ: yeah Lev peaked here
vs 100T: my eyes bled
vs KRÜ again: actually bad game from two teams, lev just had better aim
vs G2 again: worst bo5 of the year
Lev was playing with Goked playstyle, Tex and c0m played so bad and Mazino hella inconsistent, there were SO much basic gameplay holes that they just didnt fixed
now Lev has a much clearer and more aggressive playing style, Tex is in his best form, he adapted well to the role, Mazino is at his peak and c0m provides very good utility, even now he is showing that he can still come back to hit shots
yeah Lev isn't the same, they played terrible in split 1 so in masters and now they're better.
now about FNC...
Fnatic started the year playing like in 2023, it looked like if they didnt work anything in offseason, wtf were that comps...
In split 2 they still were doing the same but with Leo back on prime, more innovative teams like Heretics, FUT and NAVI won easily vs them.
In playoffs they won vs a terrible Liquid, a lost Karmine Corp and lost vs Heretics who were destroying everyone
Imagine if fnatic faced Fut and NaVi in playoffs like heretics did... they already lost vs them, maybe FNC would not have qualified to Shangai in that case. The grand final doesnt matters at all, the teams dont show anything new and just play as normal. Also Leo was a fkin demon and made them win
In shangai, Fnatic dragged the same shit that I mentioned, really easy to read comps and passive playstyle :/
Now, in split 2 FNC started showing some really good comps changes, they are improving on game tempo, they know when to play aggressive and when to play slow, doing some really good fast macros and winning rounds. Anyways I think they're still not as good as they could (also Leo isn't here, even with Hiro playing good, they need him) but the recent game vs Karmine Corp is easily their peak in this year, that Heaven comp is fire and they execute it so damn good and they have a good read in general...
IMO both teams can make top 8 at champs bc now they're showing more solid, hopefully Leo is back if they qualify
south_america_best_region [#15]imma copypaste what I told to another guy
if you think lev played well in split 1 you're crazy...
vs C9: trash
vs SEN: aspas hard carried
vs NRG: they played like shit, lev just punished them
vs G2: they still were not at their best and still took a map
vs KRÜ: yeah Lev peaked here
vs 100T: my eyes bled
vs KRÜ again: actually bad game from two teams, lev just had better aim
vs G2 again: worst bo5 of the yearLev was playing with Goked playstyle, Tex and c0m played so bad and Mazino hella inconsistent, there were SO much basic gameplay holes that they just didnt fixed
now Lev has a much clearer and more aggressive playing style, Tex is in his best form, he adapted well to the role, Mazino is at his peak and c0m provides very good utility, even now he is showing that he can still come back to hit shots
yeah Lev isn't the same, they played terrible in split 1 so in masters and now they're better.
now about FNC...
Fnatic started the year playing like in 2023, it looked like if they didnt work anything in offseason, wtf were that comps...
In split 2 they still were doing the same but with Leo back on prime, more innovative teams like Heretics, FUT and NAVI won easily vs them.
In playoffs they won vs a terrible Liquid, a lost Karmine Corp and lost vs Heretics who were destroying everyone
Imagine if fnatic faced Fut and NaVi in playoffs like heretics did... they already lost vs them, maybe FNC would not have qualified to Shangai in that case. The grand final doesnt matters at all, the teams dont show anything new and just play as normal. Also Leo was a fkin demon and made them win
In shangai, Fnatic dragged the same shit that I mentioned, really easy to read comps and passive playstyle :/Now, in split 2 FNC started showing some really good comps changes, they are improving on game tempo, they know when to play aggressive and when to play slow, doing some really good fast macros and winning rounds. Anyways I think they're still not as good as they could (also Leo isn't here, even with Hiro playing good, they need him) but the recent game vs Karmine Corp is easily their peak in this year, that Heaven comp is fire and they execute it so damn good and they have a good read in general...
IMO both teams can make top 8 at champs bc now they're showing more solid, hopefully Leo is back if they qualify
damn I wrote the entire bible here lol
south_america_best_region [#16]damn I wrote the entire bible here lol
tldr fnatic and lev look very different and hiro seems to be a nice addition considering leo is very passive compared to him
idkmanwth [#14]i wouldnt say luck, because sen thrashed us 3-0 in the finals, and the last map on 24 madrid was all sen, but yeah i would agree than the runners up were as good as sen were
he is just a sen hater
catNmouse [#17]tldr fnatic and lev look very different and hiro seems to be a nice addition considering leo is very passive compared to him
uhm yeah ty catNmouse
idkmanwth [#14]i wouldnt say luck, because sen thrashed us 3-0 in the finals, and the last map on 24 madrid was all sen, but yeah i would agree than the runners up were as good as sen were
aye bro i wouldn’t use the word thrashed. all 3 maps were 13-11 and OT
sussybaka [#11]sentiluls got 2 trophies solely because of luck, they are not better than the runner up team in that tournament btw.
I mean, we will get the answer to SEN next week
south_america_best_region [#15]imma copypaste what I told to another guy
if you think lev played well in split 1 you're crazy...
vs C9: trash
vs SEN: aspas hard carried
vs NRG: they played like shit, lev just punished them
vs G2: they still were not at their best and still took a map
vs KRÜ: yeah Lev peaked here
vs 100T: my eyes bled
vs KRÜ again: actually bad game from two teams, lev just had better aim
vs G2 again: worst bo5 of the yearLev was playing with Goked playstyle, Tex and c0m played so bad and Mazino hella inconsistent, there were SO much basic gameplay holes that they just didnt fixed
now Lev has a much clearer and more aggressive playing style, Tex is in his best form, he adapted well to the role, Mazino is at his peak and c0m provides very good utility, even now he is showing that he can still come back to hit shots
yeah Lev isn't the same, they played terrible in split 1 so in masters and now they're better.
now about FNC...
Fnatic started the year playing like in 2023, it looked like if they didnt work anything in offseason, wtf were that comps...
In split 2 they still were doing the same but with Leo back on prime, more innovative teams like Heretics, FUT and NAVI won easily vs them.
In playoffs they won vs a terrible Liquid, a lost Karmine Corp and lost vs Heretics who were destroying everyone
Imagine if fnatic faced Fut and NaVi in playoffs like heretics did... they already lost vs them, maybe FNC would not have qualified to Shangai in that case. The grand final doesnt matters at all, the teams dont show anything new and just play as normal. Also Leo was a fkin demon and made them win
In shangai, Fnatic dragged the same shit that I mentioned, really easy to read comps and passive playstyle :/Now, in split 2 FNC started showing some really good comps changes, they are improving on game tempo, they know when to play aggressive and when to play slow, doing some really good fast macros and winning rounds. Anyways I think they're still not as good as they could (also Leo isn't here, even with Hiro playing good, they need him) but the recent game vs Karmine Corp is easily their peak in this year, that Heaven comp is fire and they execute it so damn good and they have a good read in general...
IMO both teams can make top 8 at champs bc now they're showing more solid, hopefully Leo is back if they qualify
facts, im just yapping tbh cause i dont wanna see my team do bad, and sen cause they're doing great rn
TM06Nick [#3]well FNC face liquid this week so we will see
bruh liquid aint allat their best chance was last year this year they seem like they are not ok with their roster since the start of the year
south_america_best_region [#16]damn I wrote the entire bible here lol
bro really mentioned g00nbr0s b0tvi
idkmanwth [#23]facts, im just yapping tbh cause i dont wanna see my team do bad, and sen cause they're doing great rn
sen should be great idk haven't watched any of their recent games
sussybaka [#11]sentiluls got 2 trophies solely because of luck, they are not better than the runner up team in that tournament btw.
explain this
sussybaka [#11]sentiluls got 2 trophies solely because of luck, they are not better than the runner up team in that tournament btw.
name flag flair etc
shawn813 [#31]comparing these two is silly to me when fnatic has dropped maps to worse teams
sen has lost to worse teams too but no one else is complaining
TM06Nick [#28]You didn't even read the post if you're saying this
but its liquid and theyre below mid
shawn813 [#30]explain this
no explanation needed, you'll see it soon when they get boxed at champs (if they make champs ofc xd)
idkmanwth [#14]i wouldnt say luck, because sen thrashed us 3-0 in the finals, and the last map on 24 madrid was all sen, but yeah i would agree than the runners up were as good as sen were
2 round difference in all the maps isn't called getting thrashed buddy
BairyHalls [#36]2 round difference in all the maps isn't called getting thrashed buddy
it was still a 3-0 man ;-;
Ha4dy [#22]I mean, we will get the answer to SEN next week
So, now that we've got the answer, what now?
sussybaka [#35]no explanation needed, you'll see it soon when they get boxed at champs (if they make champs ofc xd)
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