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Tsikhamani [#2]??
"Starting in 2025, Ascension slots will be determined by the teams' performance throughout the season instead, shortening the default term length to one year but providing the opportunity to extend it indefinitely."
Does this not just make it more difficult for future teams to ascend? Because if they are still doing a team cap of 2 ascension teams max, it is most likely that the 2 ascension teams will continue to outperform the ascension teams if put in the top 8 scenario. Meaning the only teams ascending would be returners.
Actually while writing this, I thought it through and realized that teams that miss top 8 are just auto-relegated anyway, so they don't stand in the way of that years ascension tournament. Which means that in the scenario they underperform they are bounced out.
In all, relegation is great, but it just feels massively unfair when the burden is placed on the tier 2 system, rather than threatening partner slots (which from a business standpoint, they can't do since they signed off on a franchised system).
After [#5]?? I saw you post this and within a minute, i saw the paragraph you wrote and i refreshed after 5 minutes and u edited and now just wrote 'Unfair'??
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bruhmphrey [#3]"Starting in 2025, Ascension slots will be determined by the teams' performance throughout the season instead, shortening the default term length to one year but providing the opportunity to extend it indefinitely."
Does this not just make it more difficult for future teams to ascend? Because if they are still doing a team cap of 2 ascension teams max, it is most likely that the 2 ascension teams will continue to outperform the ascension teams if put in the top 8 scenario. Meaning the only teams ascending would be returners.Actually while writing this, I thought it through and realized that teams that miss top 8 are just auto-relegated anyway, so they don't stand in the way of that years ascension tournament. Which means that in the scenario they underperform they are bounced out.
In all, relegation is great, but it just feels massively unfair when the burden is placed on the tier 2 system, rather than threatening partner slots (which from a business standpoint, they can't do since they signed off on a franchised system).
It's a good idea, tbh
One year promotion is shit
But there a lot of teams who don't take split1 that seriously and it gets boring to watch because they want to leak their strategies in split1 but show them in split2 and might even win the whole split2
From 2025 the competition will get tough the whole year because you need to constantly stay at the top to get the slot!! And even viewers will enjoy the matches
bruhmphrey [#3]"Starting in 2025, Ascension slots will be determined by the teams' performance throughout the season instead, shortening the default term length to one year but providing the opportunity to extend it indefinitely."
Does this not just make it more difficult for future teams to ascend? Because if they are still doing a team cap of 2 ascension teams max, it is most likely that the 2 ascension teams will continue to outperform the ascension teams if put in the top 8 scenario. Meaning the only teams ascending would be returners.Actually while writing this, I thought it through and realized that teams that miss top 8 are just auto-relegated anyway, so they don't stand in the way of that years ascension tournament. Which means that in the scenario they underperform they are bounced out.
In all, relegation is great, but it just feels massively unfair when the burden is placed on the tier 2 system, rather than threatening partner slots (which from a business standpoint, they can't do since they signed off on a franchised system).
Wait so if 2024 ascension team (let's say m80) places 10th in league, they are relegated in one year? Didn't riot say ascension teams are guaranteed to play 2 years? What if both ascension teams places well? What if G2 and M80 places first and second respectively? Would they relegate M80?
Aielt [#9]Wait so if 2024 ascension team (let's say m80) places 10th in league, they are relegated in one year? Didn't riot say ascension teams are guaranteed to play 2 years? What if both ascension teams places well? What if G2 and M80 places first and second respectively? Would they relegate M80?
M80 would have to play in the ascension tournament to keep their spot
bruhmphrey [#3]"Starting in 2025, Ascension slots will be determined by the teams' performance throughout the season instead, shortening the default term length to one year but providing the opportunity to extend it indefinitely."
Does this not just make it more difficult for future teams to ascend? Because if they are still doing a team cap of 2 ascension teams max, it is most likely that the 2 ascension teams will continue to outperform the ascension teams if put in the top 8 scenario. Meaning the only teams ascending would be returners.Actually while writing this, I thought it through and realized that teams that miss top 8 are just auto-relegated anyway, so they don't stand in the way of that years ascension tournament. Which means that in the scenario they underperform they are bounced out.
In all, relegation is great, but it just feels massively unfair when the burden is placed on the tier 2 system, rather than threatening partner slots (which from a business standpoint, they can't do since they signed off on a franchised system).
So if G2 make it to champs next year they extend their time in VCT? do they need to reach champs playoffs or what?
TM06Nick [#8]Doesn't seem unfair to me. If you're a good team you'll stay and if youre mid you'll have to fight for your slot and if you're ass back to t2
I am more so arguing that it makes it unfair for the tier 2 system, which has to potentially contend against teams that have already 1. Ascended before and 2. Competed against a higher level of competition for a whole year. The Ascension tournament with a Tier 1 relegation team against it would be a wash. It could feel like the team who were grinding tier 2 for the year in Challengers, did it for nothing.
Also, unfair in terms of Tier 1 franchised partners being safe from relegation entirely, though this has always been the case.
Aielt [#9]Wait so if 2024 ascension team (let's say m80) places 10th in league, they are relegated in one year? Didn't riot say ascension teams are guaranteed to play 2 years? What if both ascension teams places well? What if G2 and M80 places first and second respectively? Would they relegate M80?
read this:
https://valorantesports.com/en-US/news/updates-to-valorants-path-to-pro-challengers-premier-and-ascension-for-the-2025-season
or this for a tldr:
https://www.vlr.gg/363243/ascension-2025-outcomes
Kyronnn [#11]So if G2 make it to champs next year they extend their time in VCT? do they need to reach champs playoffs or what?
nope, just top 4 in americas
Kyronnn [#11]So if G2 make it to champs next year they extend their time in VCT? do they need to reach champs playoffs or what?
I recommend reading the article on the News section of VLR, it will clarify everything for you.
DuD5K1S [#14]nope, just top 4 in americas
and they can do this forever? they should keep like a 3 year limit to extending their stay
Kyronnn [#16]and they can do this forever? they should keep like a 3 year limit to extending their stay
Yeah why not who cares anymore. this isnt a sustainable industry. these teams bleed money and valorant will fall off. viewership and streaming revenue are negligible. who knows if valorant will be around in 4 years
soonwookong [#4]why exactly could it be unfair? unless you want partnered team to be able to be relegated (which i really want) i don't really get it
edit: I apparently didn't realize the ascension is only for a year, that's shit
yea it will fair if partner team aswell and its gonna be a banger year also
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