seofps [#4]lets compare :)
FNS > JohnQT
s0m > TenZ
victor < zekken
crashies > sacy
ethan > zellsis
chet < kaplan
im sorry but k0plan and z0kken cant win a 2v10
JohnQT does what FNS does with good aim
I will let s0m be better than TenZ
Sacy does what crashies does with more clutches
zellsis does what ethan does but with more vibes
SEN win every single time
froggy_lol [#5]JohnQT does what FNS does with good aim
I will let s0m be better than TenZ
Sacy does what crashies does with more clutches
zellsis does what ethan does but with more vibesSEN win every single time
not zellsis lmao
froggy_lol [#5]JohnQT does what FNS does with good aim
I will let s0m be better than TenZ
Sacy does what crashies does with more clutches
zellsis does what ethan does but with more vibesSEN win every single time
fns is debatable, but i do agree johnqt has better aim. but overall sacy is SO inconsistent and yes i give it to him that he has many clutches, but that likes one rly good cluthc for every 15 deaths he has. crashies is more consistent overall. and if you really think zellsis is better than ethan that isn't igling, you are new to valorant.
seofps [#9]fns is debatable, but i do agree johnqt has better aim. but overall sacy is SO inconsistent and yes i give it to him that he has many clutches, but that likes one rly good cluthc for every 15 deaths he has. crashies is more consistent overall. and if you really think zellsis is better than ethan that isn't igling, you are new to valorant.
bro if these matches' outcomes were based on how good these players are on paper then NRG should have won everything with demon1 marved ethan crashies victor
valorant is not just a player game, many factors to be accounted for and even with all that there could be upsets
I'm rooting for SEN though, but even idk what the outcome might be
seofps [#4]lets compare :)
FNS > JohnQT
s0m > TenZ
victor < zekken
crashies > sacy
ethan > zellsis
chet < kaplan
im sorry but k0plan and z0kken cant win a 2v10
?? are u retarded
seofps [#9]fns is debatable, but i do agree johnqt has better aim. but overall sacy is SO inconsistent and yes i give it to him that he has many clutches, but that likes one rly good cluthc for every 15 deaths he has. crashies is more consistent overall. and if you really think zellsis is better than ethan that isn't igling, you are new to valorant.
Zellsis vs ethan in a single best of five that goes all 5 maps:
https://www.vlr.gg/248283/evil-geniuses-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lbf
ethan is 68/72/65 while playing mainly initiator with the rare use of yoru
https://www.vlr.gg/312779/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-gf/?game=all&tab=overview
zellsis is 68/70/48 while playing smokes, initiator, and sentinel
While ethan may have more assists, he has nowhere near the agent pool of zellsis. He also doesn't bring up the vibes more than zellsis does.
Therefore, zellsis is better than ethan.
uwukitten [#11]I'm shaking from excitement, s0n fans will disappear once again after NRG farms them
froggy_lol [#14]
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1999/champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai/playoffs
can you please help me find sen? I can't find them, must be my poor eyesight 😔
uwukitten [#16]https://www.vlr.gg/event/1999/champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai/playoffs
can you please help me find sen? I can't find them, must be my poor eyesight 😔
Can you please help me find a th international win? I can't find it, must be my poor eyesight 😔
seofps [#4]lets compare :)
FNS > JohnQT
s0m > TenZ
victor < zekken
crashies > sacy
ethan > zellsis
chet < kaplan
im sorry but k0plan and z0kken cant win a 2v10
johnqt = fns
Tenz > s0m
Zekken > Victor
Sacy >>>>>>>> Trashies
Zellsis < Ethan
Kaplan >>>>>>>>> ch0t
froggy_lol [#5]JohnQT does what FNS does with good aim
I will let s0m be better than TenZ
Sacy does what crashies does with more clutches
zellsis does what ethan does but with more vibesSEN win every single time
current tenz is so much better than s0m lmao
froggy_lol [#13]Zellsis vs ethan in a single best of five that goes all 5 maps:
https://www.vlr.gg/248283/evil-geniuses-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lbf
ethan is 68/72/65 while playing mainly initiator with the rare use of yoruhttps://www.vlr.gg/312779/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-gf/?game=all&tab=overview
zellsis is 68/70/48 while playing smokes, initiator, and sentinelWhile ethan may have more assists, he has nowhere near the agent pool of zellsis. He also doesn't bring up the vibes more than zellsis does.
Therefore, zellsis is better than ethan.
lmfao
Rugsssssss [#10]bro if these matches' outcomes were based on how good these players are on paper then NRG should have won everything with demon1 marved ethan crashies victor
valorant is not just a player game, many factors to be accounted for and even with all that there could be upsets
I'm rooting for SEN though, but even idk what the outcome might be
obv its not just a player game, but I was listing out the individuals. it was half troll, but when i actually compared the players i was being rational. me comparing players was half a joke in saying which team would win, but the other half was serious on who the better overall players are.
TheAceGamer30 [#19]current tenz is so much better than s0m lmao
After doing some research you are correct in saying that TenZ is better than s0m, but only barely
froggy_lol [#13]Zellsis vs ethan in a single best of five that goes all 5 maps:
https://www.vlr.gg/248283/evil-geniuses-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lbf
ethan is 68/72/65 while playing mainly initiator with the rare use of yoruhttps://www.vlr.gg/312779/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-gf/?game=all&tab=overview
zellsis is 68/70/48 while playing smokes, initiator, and sentinelWhile ethan may have more assists, he has nowhere near the agent pool of zellsis. He also doesn't bring up the vibes more than zellsis does.
Therefore, zellsis is better than ethan.
yes also Ethan this year was on a completely new position as IGL which he isnt the best at as we can see. all zellsis has to do is lock down site and shootLMFAO. you cant compare the "easiest" role (as in mainly plays sentinel type roles like kj viper) vs the hardest role while assisting your team. also the stats you're comparing is IGL vs regular player who secondary calls. and if you want to talk about stats itself, i can pull some crazy bs out and say its the truth. stats arent everything.
seofps [#24]yes also Ethan this year was on a completely new position as IGL which he isnt the best at as we can see. all zellsis has to do is lock down site and shootLMFAO. you cant compare the "easiest" role (as in mainly plays sentinel type roles like kj viper) vs the hardest role while assisting your team. also the stats you're comparing is IGL vs regular player who secondary calls. and if you want to talk about stats itself, i can pull some crazy bs out and say its the truth. stats arent everything.
Will you please actually read my post? I bring up statistics from before ethan was igling.
seofps [#24]yes also Ethan this year was on a completely new position as IGL which he isnt the best at as we can see. all zellsis has to do is lock down site and shootLMFAO. you cant compare the "easiest" role (as in mainly plays sentinel type roles like kj viper) vs the hardest role while assisting your team. also the stats you're comparing is IGL vs regular player who secondary calls. and if you want to talk about stats itself, i can pull some crazy bs out and say its the truth. stats arent everything.
I can pull more statistics if you would like also
froggy_lol [#25]Will you please actually read my post? I bring up statistics from before ethan was igling.
okay my bad, i didnt click on the matches in whcih you linked, but you also chose a grand final where zellsis poppped off literally last game of icebox vs a non grand final. back to statistics as well, zellsis during that grand finals besides icebox was quite litearlly useless. more than half the time he was a walking orb for GenG. ethan during the last bo3 he played, you could see his impact. you could see his util usage being good, you could see his game sense and aim. and everyone knows madrid was mickey mouse.
froggy_lol [#28]I can pull more statistics if you would like also
you can, but its not necessary? you could literally ask any pro or vlr user that isnt just SEN biased on who the better player is. everyone will say Ethan. the only reason ppl keep bringing down ethan is because of recency bias. dont forget how good he was last year, and how good he was in the start of this year individually before NRG became shit.
soonwookong [#26]single match sample size
https://www.vlr.gg/248277/paper-rex-vs-evil-geniuses-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-gf
https://www.vlr.gg/312781/sentinels-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-lbf
Ethan again has more assists but he only plays initiator in this game while zellsis plays multiple roles
Zellsis is also even on first kills to first deaths while ethan is 3/11 on first kills to first deaths.
Zellsis has a slightly lower ADR
Zellsis has a lower headshot percentage
Zellsis has a higher ACS
seofps [#4]lets compare :)
FNS > JohnQT
s0m > TenZ
victor < zekken
crashies > sacy
ethan > zellsis
chet < kaplan
im sorry but k0plan and z0kken cant win a 2v10
bro even kaplan is 1000x a coach that ch0t is thats the only factor needed to bring NRG down by a lot
froggy_lol [#31]https://www.vlr.gg/248277/paper-rex-vs-evil-geniuses-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-gf
https://www.vlr.gg/312781/sentinels-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-lbf
Ethan again has more assists but he only plays initiator in this game while zellsis plays multiple rolesZellsis is also even on first kills to first deaths while ethan is 3/11 on first kills to first deaths.
Zellsis has a slightly lower ADR
Zellsis has a lower headshot percentage
Zellsis has a higher ACS
bait was more believable before damn
soonwookong [#33]bait was more believable before damn
How is this bait? I don't want a reaction out of you. I purely brought up statistics to support my point after you asked for more.
TheAceGamer30 [#18]johnqt = fns
Tenz > s0m
Zekken > Victor
Sacy >>>>>>>> Trashies
Zellsis < EthanKaplan >>>>>>>>> ch0t
QT = FNS is the worst take of all time
froggy_lol [#34]How is this bait? I don't want a reaction out of you. I purely brought up statistics to support my point after you asked for more.
Bringing up stats is not a thing you can do on a match to match basis - especially with adding singular matches as basis, damn, you're just gonna add 1 more match you cherry pick every time i answer. Either you are delusional, don't understand how statistics work, or baiting.
soonwookong [#36]Bringing up stats is not a thing you can do on a match to match basis - especially with adding singular matches as basis, damn, you're just gonna add 1 more match you cherry pick every time i answer. Either you are delusional, don't understand how statistics work, or baiting.
I can’t pull up statistics that aren’t on a match to match basis because I can’t see all of Ethan stats from before he igled. Therefore I have to use subpar statistics.
froggy_lol [#37]I can’t pull up statistics that aren’t on a match to match basis because I can’t see all of Ethan stats from before he igled. Therefore I have to use subpar statistics.
then don't use statistics, observation based arguments can be stronger than ones based on shit stats. you can actually still pull stats if you want tho, but i get that its too much work pulling per event stats and combining them, it's unfortunate how stats work in this site, somehow hltv's stats section is much better but probably that's cus there's less complexity in their stats
froggy_lol [#31]https://www.vlr.gg/248277/paper-rex-vs-evil-geniuses-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-gf
https://www.vlr.gg/312781/sentinels-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-lbf
Ethan again has more assists but he only plays initiator in this game while zellsis plays multiple rolesZellsis is also even on first kills to first deaths while ethan is 3/11 on first kills to first deaths.
Zellsis has a slightly lower ADR
Zellsis has a lower headshot percentage
Zellsis has a higher ACS
ethans initiator is giving his 2 duelists +20 free kills every match lol
SquareMars [#35]QT = FNS is the worst take of all time
FNS is a better igl but johnqt is a better shooter so tbh i would say they are equal but thats just me
SquareMars [#42]trophy count doesn't equal skill
Yes fns has better igling and johnqt has better mechanics so it cancels them out as equal 🤣🤣
seofps [#4]lets compare :)
FNS > JohnQT
s0m > TenZ
victor < zekken
crashies > sacy
ethan > zellsis
chet < kaplan
im sorry but k0plan and z0kken cant win a 2v10
out igld by billibilli
soonwookong [#38]then don't use statistics, observation based arguments can be stronger than ones based on shit stats. you can actually still pull stats if you want tho, but i get that its too much work pulling per event stats and combining them, it's unfortunate how stats work in this site, somehow hltv's stats section is much better but probably that's cus there's less complexity in their stats
Thanks for the advice! I will use more observation based stats in the future. I would also like to apologize if I sounded rude earlier.
TheAceGamer30 [#43]Yes fns has better igling and johnqt has better mechanics so it cancels them out as equal 🤣🤣
FNS has more experience and real tactics
froggy_lol [#13]Zellsis vs ethan in a single best of five that goes all 5 maps:
https://www.vlr.gg/248283/evil-geniuses-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lbf
ethan is 68/72/65 while playing mainly initiator with the rare use of yoruhttps://www.vlr.gg/312779/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-gf/?game=all&tab=overview
zellsis is 68/70/48 while playing smokes, initiator, and sentinelWhile ethan may have more assists, he has nowhere near the agent pool of zellsis. He also doesn't bring up the vibes more than zellsis does.
Therefore, zellsis is better than ethan.
bait or retardation?
TheAqif [#15]isnt it NRG fam
-TheAqif
#SENCITY
yeah got no idea what Dhr0m00 is hollering about talking about some nrg city
seofps [#4]lets compare :)
FNS > JohnQT
s0m > TenZ
victor < zekken
crashies > sacy
ethan > zellsis
chet < kaplan
im sorry but k0plan and z0kken cant win a 2v10
damnn the sen fans are going insane with these downvotes today
SelectSense [#45]team diff?
fns>johnqt
ethan>sacy
crashies>=zellsis
s0m>tenz
zekken>victor
shouldnt you be comparing ethan and zellsis and then sacy and crashies
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