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This format stinks

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#1
ItsHunter

the fact that a team that just got 13-2ed by a Geng who arent at their peak qualified for an international over DRX is beyond me man. Riot messed up with this one

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tofubun
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i think they are just trying out new comp by copying prx though. this doesnt really say much

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Derpp
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format fucked both TLN and DRX up, t1 does not deserve shanghai if they keep playing like this

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Kiwi954
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In this case you can't blame the format. T1 earned it by beating TS and geng where drx straight up lost both of their games

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ItsHunter
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even if you wanna make it out to be that way both PRX and GenG are INFINITELY harder opponents than T1. Geng got 1 chance to make a mistake and redeem themselves whereas it was done for DRX the moment they lost to PRX.
T1 just get to stroll along while DRX who got first seed had to play against more difficult opponents because of it and start off with 0 momentum. I just dont understand riot and their intense desire to make qualification tourneys be as unfair as possible

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fnaticENJOYER
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there was literally nothing unfair for first seeds tf you mean?

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ItsHunter
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being first seed isnt an advantage atp in valorant. More often than not weve seen favourites lose whenever theyve gained a bye. There shouldve just been an 8 team playoffs and first seeds given matches against the lowest seeds to stop having this shit happen every single time we have a qualifications

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Zerphyr1
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I get what ur saying and I would argue in ur favor but being first seed IS AN ADVANTAGE but I get where ur coming from as first seeds don't get that warm up that the non first seeds do.

Instead I would say that the first seeds get to choose their opponents in the playoffs as this is an advantage and fixes the issue about the warmup.

It can't be ignored that 6/6 of the first teams seeds lost their first game in the playoffs (not including china)

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simo98
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That's literally gen g fault lost in upper semifinal u can't blame format

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kingop3n
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it’s bad bcos one of the top 3 teams has to go in the lower bracket to get through and has the chance to lose. it’s the same with navi and TH. they’ve beaten everyone on the other side but they get to walk through but your top 3 teams play each other and eliminate one already it’s just so bad

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simo98
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Bro that's ur chance "lower bracket" u want more ?
That's more rigged brother
I can accepted if th vs navi is format fault
But t1 ??? Naurr brother nauuurrrrrr

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the problem is that the format was a 6 team instead of 8 team format. Teams with BYEs in valorant have notoriously bad luck which i dont fault you for not knowing if youre new to the scene but if youve been a main stay for at least 2 years you should know this by now.
80% of the time teams that get BYEs who are favourites to win will lose their games unless its an overwhelmingly unlikely scenario. So much so to the point that everytime I do any pickems i always pick the teams with the BYEs to lose. I mean just look at all the leagues. In every league where theres real competition the teams that had BYEs lost their games.
Its probably due to a lack of momentum and so they start cold and go out cold too

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FrostTree187
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Its literally double elim in playoffs what you want it to make it triple elim????

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fnaticENJOYER
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if DRX actually deserved it, they would have won atleast 1 out of 2 chances they had to qualify, this has nothing to do with format.

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Tryeue2
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drx are top 3 they lost to 2 and 1

#8
fnaticENJOYER
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they lost
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Tryeue2
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you are right there is no point crying over spilt milk its just sad to me that one of our representatives is a d tier team.

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fnaticENJOYER
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they had a good day and qualified, valorant is such a form based game rn that there's a chance T1 will end up winning shanghai if they get 1 good match and get the momentum from there onwards.

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Tryeue2
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keke no.

#10
CactusPlant
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exactly

#9
geospliced
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Exactly. People shouldn't be glazing DRX over T1. If they were better and truly deserved to qualify over "Fraud1" then they would've beat them and qualified.

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Tryeue2
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they didnt meet t1 tho if they did theyd have won they had a dominant victory last time

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geospliced
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Yeah you're right they didn't. I don't know why I thought that they lost to T1 in playoffs lol.

I still agree with fnaticENJOYER that the format doesn't discriminate as much as people make it out to seem.

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Tryeue2
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no i completely agree but never fucking pretend that drx is worse than t1

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geospliced
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I completely agree with you. I made my original comment thinking they lost to T1 in playoffs. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

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Tryeue2
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nw and sorry for being rather aggressive

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geospliced
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No need to apologize, I made a preposterous claim so your remarks are rather justified.

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ItsHunter
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youre actually so stupid for saying that shit.
DRX are and have been neck and neck with Geng for this whole year so far. T1 on the otherhand dont know how to be consistent to save their lives. They caught a GenG who werent shooting back and managed to qualify but DRX had to face 2 activated opponents all 3 of which would stomp T1 9/10 times.
Its just ridiculous that T1 qualified when its so clearly obvious who the top 3 apac teams are. At the very least with Americas G2 qualifying isnt as egregious considering that at least in the playoffs G2 can be considered within the top 3 on a good day. That cant be said for T1

#28
geospliced
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Yes, I made a mistake. I thought that T1 had beat DRX in playoffs (thank you fake memories), and it's my blunder that I didn't fact check. I had DRX qualifying in pick'ems (before I went on a trip and didn't follow the scene) and was probably just as if not more convinced than you that they were going to qualify.

I'm sorry for being stupid and saying that shit.

#33
ItsHunter
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oh yea alr i guess thats justified

#32
hdeqth
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T1 qualified fair and square. If the other team wasn't shooting back it's their fault. You can't blame the format

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ItsHunter
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since the beginning of valorant weve seen that byes arent advantageous, the format is at fault for sure

#38
hdeqth
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The format is not an excuse to why drx didn't qualify. The format punished bad performance, and in this case it punished GenG which allowed T1 to qualify.

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ButterflyEffect23
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bruh DRX lost twice

#12
TheAceGamer30
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t1 deserves it by winning two games meanwhile drx choked both games

#23
ItsHunter
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ah yes we love that 15IQ VLR logic.
Anyone with a brain would understand that DRX are infinitely better than T1

#25
TheAceGamer30
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drx are chokers and t1 isn’t that’s my point

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mino
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It is what it is. Rough opponents for them, but both DRX and T1 had a chance to punch above their weight and score a ticket, and in DRX's case, 2 chances. T1 showed up, DRX didn't.

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against completely different opponents. T1 faced TS, easy win. you get that momentum and caught gen.g off and got lucky. PRX beat TLN obviously (13-0) and then have to play DRX. So your top 2 teams are paying each other to send one to lower bracket and has a potential to be eliminated but then you have a team that qualifies and gets slammed by PRX and now gen.g they just got lucky

#36
mino
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TS has the exact same scoreline as GENG, mind you, and they 2-0ed PRX just before playoffs. You are only saying they're shit in hindsight.

Crazy to say a team "gets lucky" in a tournament/qualification scenario. EG got lucky last year to even be at Champs. Of course there is an element of spontaneity, the better team on the day wins. It's not a static dick measuring contest. That's why there's a playoffs in the first place. Otherwise, just take the group results for granted, top down.

I think DRX is better than T1 too, but they had their chances.

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kingop3n
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TS only got lucky w PRX bcos it’s just their nature lol. it’s like SEN vs 100T or FNC vs NAVI. they could look bad individually but always has the other teams number.TS were shit against the rest. Absolutely EG we’re lucky. 100T caused it cos EG wouldn’t have even qualified and they had so much luck in their games. you have 3 teams on one side going 5-0 4-1 and 4-1 and atleast one of them is eliminated immediately after qualifying. and on the other side you have them going 3-3 3-3 and 2-4 how you could say that’s equal is beyond me. one of them teams qualifies right away regardless of skill.

#42
mino
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TS literally had 2 less round difference than GENG. What the fuck are you yapping about? They could easily have topped their group.

If you think EG didn't deserve their Champs run last year, I have nothing to say to you. Go watch golf or someshit. High-variance sports aren't for you.

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kingop3n
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they werent even in contention only got to champs only did because 100T choked against MIBR. even with Demon1. it was luck entirely. i love boostio hes really shown why hes good but the rest? fell off hard. goldylocks run entirely. everyone thought demon1 and ethan were the backbone of the team but they arent. jawg being the entry made demon1s job 100x better. c0m lurking 99% of the time and people just forgot that happened? the map pool was awful and changed way too much with all the nerfs etc.

#46
kingop3n
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and exactly my point then. sure lets say TS do deserve it. theyre still 3-3 yet yopu have the teams on the other side going 5-0 4-1 and 4-1 and one HAS to go home?

#37
Simp4S0m
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DRX choked tbf they had that game vs GenG

#43
ItsHunter
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it would be completely fair and justified if T1 werent the ones to make it instead

#47
Simp4S0m
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True. It’s the same for Fnatic qualifying instead of Navi

#40
myfatherr
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With the way t1 was playing against geng that day, drx might as well lose. Why the fuck are you so sure T1 couldnt do it? Drx just choke, thats all there is to it.

#48
heavensentsaint
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bruh geng were literally asking drx to beat them drx just choked and gave up on map 3

#50
Mebi
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It sucks, but what can we do? The other explanation is the teams that got eliminated shouldn't have lost their games - drx choked a 7-0 lead on Sunset, who can they blame for that besides themselves? As much as t1 look so horrible today (whiffing all their shots and looking braindead), PRX looked the same when they faced TS. It just feels like shit they decided to lose the 2 most important games instead of during group stage.

#51
airbender
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They 2-1ed the same team before to earn their spot.

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