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JvRR [#4]Brother in 2023 you cannot look at EMEA and tell me they weren't a one team region. most of your seeds didnt even make it past group stages.
That's just false lmao. Our 4th was better than Americas 4th. TL made it into a top 6, FUT into top 8, NAVI into top 4.
Americas' got 1 LAN winner, LOUD top 2, KRU got grouped and NRG top 4. Very similar statistics.
I'm not saying that EMEA was better than Americas but was definitely not a 1 team region.
Fut made 8th by beating the same team twice at champions
Navi made top 4 in a single elim tournament after beating the soon to be winless kru, soon to be middle to bottom of the pack TS and middle to bottom of the pack LEV then proceeded to get grouped at champions
TL which was ALSO a super team making 6th isnt an accomplishment
JvRR [#8]Fut made 8th by beating the same team twice at champions
Navi made top 4 in a single elim tournament after beating the soon to be winless kru, soon to be middle to bottom of the pack TS and middle to bottom of the pack LEV then proceeded to get grouped at champions
TL which was ALSO a super team making 6th isnt an accomplishment
TL was not a super team 😂😂😂😂😂😂 whattttttttttt
The_Cleg [#6]That's just false lmao. Our 4th was better than Americas 4th. TL made it into a top 6, FUT into top 8, NAVI into top 4.
Americas' got 1 LAN winner, LOUD top 2, KRU got grouped and NRG top 4. Very similar statistics.I'm not saying that EMEA was better than Americas but was definitely not a 1 team region.
Your best when not Fnatic was top 4, and that was one time during the first event of the year. Then you say Top 6 and Top 8 like they mean something???
Sorry, EMEA was definitely a one team reigion.
JvRR [#8]Fut made 8th by beating the same team twice at champions
Navi made top 4 in a single elim tournament after beating the soon to be winless kru, soon to be middle to bottom of the pack TS and middle to bottom of the pack LEV then proceeded to get grouped at champions
TL which was ALSO a super team making 6th isnt an accomplishment
Calling TL a super team
I can't 🤣🤣🤣
Blud just called soulcass + jamppi + redgar a super team🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
laeDLaer [#9]TL was not a super team 😂😂😂😂😂😂 whattttttttttt
No fucking way we're playing the hindsight game now, on paper the 2023 TL roster was a super team and was one of the most hyped teams going into lock/in lets please not try to twist that narrative 😂
doomvor [#10]Your best when not Fnatic was top 4, and that was one time during the first event of the year. Then you say Top 6 and Top 8 like they mean something???
Sorry, EMEA was definitely a one team reigion.
Just because it doesn't fit your agenda doesn't mean that they don't mean anything lmao.
The_Cleg [#11]Calling TL a super team
I can't 🤣🤣🤣
Blud just called soulcass + jamppi + redgar a super team🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
EMEA fans have very selective memory, due to recency bias you guys are gonna pretend redgar+nats+jamppi wasn't a super hyped core going into the year, next you're gonna tell me cned going to the very successful navi core also wasn't a hyped team
Bald_man [#3]now other teams are beating fnatic they call it 0 team region
no it is'nt it means the competetion is good and not a 1 team region like last years
but hey tell nothing to NA viewers
Stop yapping so much. Before Madrid, you were all waffling about crazy Heretics, goat KC and then the got dismantled at Madrid.
If this region does well at Shanghai, then yeah it's a decent region, but this year, so far, they have barely proven themselves to be better than China.
JvRR [#12]No fucking way we're playing the hindsight game now, on paper the 2023 TL roster was a super team and was one of the most hyped teams going into lock/in lets please not try to twist that narrative 😂
they were never hyped. people were only hyping nats and sayf no one was getting excited over soulcas and redgar. i remember when the roster was announced
JvRR [#12]No fucking way we're playing the hindsight game now, on paper the 2023 TL roster was a super team and was one of the most hyped teams going into lock/in lets please not try to twist that narrative 😂
TL was not a super team. By any stretch of the imagination. They were supposed to be a good team. They had nAts and sayf. Two great players do not make a super team. Stop yapping.
The_Cleg [#17]TL was not a super team. By any stretch of the imagination. They were supposed to be a good team. They had nAts and sayf. Two great players do not make a super team. Stop yapping.
You kids are genuinely talking out of the side of your necks. Only difference is i have something to go off on. Read the comments to the announcement and bitch more LMAOO
https://www.vlr.gg/156764/team-liquid-overhaul-roster-with-m3c-duo-and-sayf
JvRR [#14]EMEA fans have very selective memory, due to recency bias you guys are gonna pretend redgar+nats+jamppi wasn't a super hyped core going into the year, next you're gonna tell me cned going to the very successful navi core also wasn't a hyped team
It was but everybody knew that there could've been underlying issues and overall most people didn't like the ardiis change ...
JvRR [#18]You kids are genuinely talking out of the side of your necks. Only difference is i have something to go off on. Read the comments to the announcement and bitch more LMAOO
https://www.vlr.gg/156764/team-liquid-overhaul-roster-with-m3c-duo-and-sayf
They were calling it a top 3 team in EMEA. how's that a super team man... Listen to yourself
The_Cleg [#20]They were calling it a top 3 team in EMEA. how's that a super team man... Listen to yourself
Literally not a single person in that thread said shit about top 3 team EMEA....You didn't read a single thing...
JvRR [#21]Literally not a single person in that thread said shit about top 3 team EMEA....You didn't read a single thing...
https://www.vlr.gg/post/1636179/team-liquid-overhaul-roster-with-m3c-duo-and-sayf
At least read the comments...
Not one person said it was a super team. One person said "most stacked team in EMEA" which is very normal over hyping of a team of which the roster has been released...
The_Cleg [#22]https://www.vlr.gg/post/1636179/team-liquid-overhaul-roster-with-m3c-duo-and-sayf
At least read the comments...
Not one person said it was a super team. One person said "most stacked team in EMEA" which is very normal over hyping of a team of which the roster has been released...
Wait you cherry picked 1 comment out of 52 and took that as public opinion stating "they were calling it top 3". You're literally confirming my selective memory statement. Literally the most repped comment was saying they're the most stacked team in EMEA but you're clearing choosing to ignore that, wonder why
JvRR [#23]Wait you cherry picked 1 comment out of 52 and took that as public opinion stating "they were calling it top 3". You're literally confirming my selective memory statement. Literally the most repped comment was saying they're the most stacked team in EMEA but you're clearing choosing to ignore that, wonder why
All the comments are saying W. They improved from the past roster. That's what they were saying.
And ofc you r gonna be hyped for a new roster when fucking nAts comes to a team, but that does not make it a super team WTF
germannils [#15]Stop yapping so much. Before Madrid, you were all waffling about crazy Heretics, goat KC and then the got dismantled at Madrid.
If this region does well at Shanghai, then yeah it's a decent region, but this year, so far, they have barely proven themselves to be better than China.
Listen to yourself man. You r down talking a team that was playing with a stand in. KC were better than other EMEA teams just because they had a read on the meta, now they are barely looking to make playoffs...
The_Cleg [#24]All the comments are saying W. They improved from the past roster. That's what they were saying.
And ofc you r gonna be hyped for a new roster when fucking nAts comes to a team, but that does not make it a super team WTF
Can you explain the criteria on deciding what is and isnt a super team for me? Because 2 masters winners and champions finalist along with 2 a extremely mechanical fraggers doesn't make up a super team, so what exactly does? Because Fnatic practically had a similar makeup going into 2023 and they were hailed a super team from the start. So please explain
JvRR [#26]Can you explain the criteria on deciding what is and isnt a super team for me? Because 2 masters winners and champions finalist along with 2 a extremely mechanical fraggers doesn't make up a super team, so what exactly does? Because Fnatic practically had a similar makeup going into 2023 and they were hailed a super team from the start. So please explain
4 players that get into the top 10/15 of a region + a good IGL.
2 great players + 2 good players is not a super team. It's literally a normal team.
A super team must have a contender of the best player (in the region at least) in each spot of their team.
By your standards even last year's KC could have been considered a super team. LMAO.
The_Cleg [#27]4 players that get into the top 10/15 of a region + a good IGL.
2 great players + 2 good players is not a super team. It's literally a normal team.
A super team must have a contender of the best player (in the region at least) in each spot of their team.
By your standards even last year's KC could have been considered a super team. LMAO.
jamppi and soulcas were at every single international event in 2022 so by your logic they would have been atleast top 4 of EMEA every regional, which would make them "top 10/15 of a region" and then the two great players one of which being a good IGL or was expected to be at the time. And sayf literally made lan. But move the goalpost again LMAO
JvRR [#28]jamppi and soulcas were at every single international event in 2022 so by your logic they would have been atleast top 4 of EMEA every regional, which would make them "top 10/15 of a region" and then the two great players one of which being a good IGL or was expected to be at the time. And sayf literally made lan. But move the goalpost again LMAO
Whatever man. Whatever.
hdeqth [#30]You lost the argument. How hard is it to admit you're wrong
What argument did I lose? If you think TL is a super team you don't have a brain and it is useless for me to lose my time explaining it to you. Soulcass was not top 8 in his role. Jamppi might have been top 3/4 tho.
Team success does not determine how good a player is. Everyone knew Leo was top 1/2 init in EMEA but the results of his team didn't show it.
There's way more nuance than what you guys seem to make out of it. If you don't understand it, I won't explain it to you.
hdeqth [#30]You lost the argument. How hard is it to admit you're wrong
He made up his own critera and it still worked against him using HIS logic and he still refuses to admit hes wrong. Actual brainrot shit
JvRR [#32]He made up his own critera and it still worked against him using HIS logic and he still refuses to admit hes wrong. Actual brainrot shit
Sure bro. Sure. Soulcass was top 4 in his role. You don't have a brain.
The_Cleg [#33]Sure bro. Sure. Soulcass was top 4 in his role. You don't have a brain.
"4 players that get into the top 10/15 of a region + a good IGL"
Was what you said, not "4 players that are top 4 in their role" LMAOO how can someone be this delusional
JvRR [#32]He made up his own critera and it still worked against him using HIS logic and he still refuses to admit hes wrong. Actual brainrot shit
Also the fact that TL would or wouldn't be s super team does not change my initial argument at all.
I just replied to it because I thought it was braindead.
Sentinels were a super team but I didn't even mention them. It is not relevant to the discourse.
Even if TL were a super team nobody called EMEA a 1 team region because of them. I'm not even talking about that you just put it in the table for 0 reasons.
The_Cleg [#35]Also the fact that TL would or wouldn't be s super team does not change my initial argument at all.
I just replied to it because I thought it was braindead.
Sentinels were a super team but I didn't even mention them. It is not relevant to the discourse.
Even if TL were a super team nobody called EMEA a 1 team region because of them. I'm not even talking about that you just put it in the table for 0 reasons.
If i found a way to prove myself wrong in an argument i replied to because "i thought it was braindead" i'd try to backpedal after it too, don't worry son.
JvRR [#34]"4 players that get into the top 10/15 of a region + a good IGL"
Was what you said, not "4 players that are top 4 in their role" LMAOO how can someone be this delusional
Redgar is the IGL it's 4 players + IGL.
I literally said 4 players + a good IGL how can you be so dumb and not understand that when I'm talking about the 4 players it is the NON-IGL PLAYERS ???
Actual 0 reading comprehension, but what do I expect from a us flag
JvRR [#36]If i found a way to prove myself wrong in an argument i replied to because "i thought it was braindead" i'd try to backpedal after it too, don't worry son.
I'm not backpedaling anything. The point of TL not being a super team still stands. It just wasn't relevant to the previous discussion.
But again, you don't understand basic english
Bald_man [#3]now other teams are beating fnatic they call it 0 team region
no it is'nt it means the competetion is good and not a 1 team region like last years
but hey tell nothing to NA viewers
where your Portuguese flag ? bald man
The_Cleg [#37]Redgar is the IGL it's 4 players + IGL.
I literally said 4 players + a good IGL how can you be so dumb and not understand that when I'm talking about the 4 players it is the NON-IGL PLAYERS ???Actual 0 reading comprehension, but what do I expect from a us flag
God you have to be being a fucking idiot on purpose i will explain it to your dumbass one more time, take your time and read this time you fucking goober, Sayf made LAN which means he was ATLEAST top 3 in EMEA which reaches your "top 10/15" Criteria. Jamppi and Soulcas both made EVERY lan the year of 2022 which means they were ALSO atleast top 4 EMEA, which also reaches your top 10/15 critera. Last but not least Redgar who is an IGL and Nats, the two players YOU deemed great are former masters winners and champions finalist. I spelled it out for you, please try to understand this time. Count the names if you have to if you're still not counting 5 players dumbass
JvRR [#40]God you have to be being a fucking idiot on purpose i will explain it to your dumbass one more time, take your time and read this time you fucking goober, Sayf made LAN which means he was ATLEAST top 3 in EMEA which reaches your "top 10/15" Criteria. Jamppi and Soulcas both made EVERY lan the year of 2022 which means they were ALSO atleast top 4 EMEA, which also reaches your top 10/15 critera. Last but not least Redgar who is an IGL and Nats, the two players YOU deemed great are former masters winners and champions finalist. I spelled it out for you, please try to understand this time. Count the names if you have to if you're still not counting 5 players dumbass
You r still saying that soulcas is top 4. Which is extremely dumb. Team success does not determine how good a player is. That's just a dumb way to think about it. And false.
Chronicle was not in a top 4 team the past year. Was he not a top 4 flex in EMEA? ofc he was. And FNC was a super team. Same way, soulcass was in a top 4 team, but wasn't even remotely close to being a top 4 flex.
Team success is a dumb way to determine how good a player is. I've got nothing more to add.
Also somehow when it's useful to your argument, you use your criteria, how good a team was in a certain time period. But when it's useful to you, you use my criteria. How good a player was. That's just dumb. Dumb and contradictory.
The_Cleg [#38]I'm not backpedaling anything. The point of TL not being a super team still stands. It just wasn't relevant to the previous discussion.
But again, you don't understand basic english
Ok bro, i'm getting off work now so i'm gonna call it here. But i recommend donating your brain to science, i've never in my decades of living seen someone try to convince themselves so hard that they're right after proving themselves wrong. Your ego is this shot over team liquid brother, who you said aren't even relevant to the conversation, and yet you just fought with me for hours trying to prove a point that worked against you.
Froggy0_0 [#39]where your Portuguese flag ? bald man
i'm paying respect to bayer leverkusen after that 90+7th minute goal
god they can't lose
JvRR [#42]Ok bro, i'm getting off work now so i'm gonna call it here. But i recommend donating your brain to science, i've never in my decades of living seen someone try to convince themselves so hard that they're right after proving themselves wrong. Your ego is this shot over team liquid brother, who you said aren't even relevant to the conversation, and yet you just fought with me for hours trying to prove a point that worked against you.
Actual clown
Also, as I said before, I had nothing to add and wanted to finish the Convo, but you and the other guys came and said, oh you want to finish it? Guess you lost the argument then. So I just had to continue it.
Because I will not make two clowns think that they won an argument against me. Not when I'm right at least.
Talking about my ego but you did exactly the same thing as me. Acting like I was talking alone. Buddy you were with me.
The_Cleg [#44]Actual clown
Also, as I said before, I had nothing to add and wanted to finish the Convo, but you and the other guys came and said, oh you want to finish it? Guess you lost the argument then. So I just had to continue it.
Because I will not make two clowns think that they won an argument against me. Not when I'm right at least.
Talking about my ego but you did exactly the same thing as me. Acting like I was talking alone. Buddy you were with me.
Chronically online reddit narcissist behavior
"I need to win"😡
JvRR [#45]Chronically online reddit narcissist behavior
"I need to win"😡
Look yourself in the mirror. You were talking with me the whole time.
JvRR [#45]Chronically online reddit narcissist behavior
"I need to win"😡
Btw look at the down voted on your comments. Guess ppl agreed with me. Guess who won? Maybe you are a narcissist more than me.
Bald_man [#43]i'm paying respect to bayer leverkusen after that 90+7th minute goal
god they can't lose
i have no idea who that is
The_Cleg [#13]Just because it doesn't fit your agenda doesn't mean that they don't mean anything lmao.
Why would they mean something then?
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