Don't you ever do this again please
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TheAceGamer30 [#3]Overrated
definition of jack of all trades, master of none
he's legit just a worse forsaken in every single way (minus hardware)
Coures [#6]definition of jack of all trades, master of none
he's legit just a worse forsaken in every single way (minus hardware)
Forsaken is an incredible player, so not really that bad
Vic’s a very good duelist imo, his raze is top tier and his Jett is decent
His kj is ok as well
AstroGalaxy [#8]victor is a worse forsaken (by far), but just with a trophy and super overrated at least on non raze agents
he has mastered raze but thats it when forsaken can play literally anything at a high level, victor? Nah
I somewhat agree with you, I think victor can play other characters but he doesn’t have the mechanical skill to play as well as forsaken
Realistically sentinels are very easy to learn but Vic has somewhat average aim but has great satchels and pathing on raze
Uncleben [#9]I somewhat agree with you, I think victor can play other characters but he doesn’t have the mechanical skill to play as well as forsaken
Realistically sentinels are very easy to learn but Vic has somewhat average aim but has great satchels and pathing on raze
yeah I think it is his mechs that are probs holding him back and i dont think cypher fits his playstyle
I think victor should be a main duelist on a new different team, optic core havent had results in so long it would be best for them to get new blood tbh.
AstroGalaxy [#11]yeah I think it is his mechs that are probs holding him back and i dont think cypher fits his playstyle
I think victor should be a main duelist on a new different team, optic core havent had results in so long it would be best for them to get new blood tbh.
I think Chet needs to stop trying to get cracked duelists for this nrg roster
Put victor on perma duelist and pick up a good flex player and igl imo
Uncleben [#12]I think Chet needs to stop trying to get cracked duelists for this nrg roster
Put victor on perma duelist and pick up a good flex player and igl imo
exactly, but even then this NRG is still incredibly stacked so either they egoed the igl thing or chet is just not as good anymore
AstroGalaxy [#14]exactly, but even then this NRG is still incredibly stacked so either they egoed the igl thing or chet is just not as good anymore
The igl thing is a massive ego move, very disappointing
The only team that has been able to have some random cracked player igl is prx and they are exceptions to a lot of rules
Chet has a very rigid and unforgiving system for his team and their roles that only really works for the original optic team
Uncleben [#15]The igl thing is a massive ego move, very disappointing
The only team that has been able to have some random cracked player igl is prx and they are exceptions to a lot of rules
Chet has a very rigid and unforgiving system for his team and their roles that only really works for the original optic team
they really shouldve picked up john qt instead of demon 1 and made victor his duelist player they def wouldve won madrid tbh
AstroGalaxy [#16]they really shouldve picked up john qt instead of demon 1 and made victor his duelist player they def wouldve won madrid tbh
I think despite what everyone says this optic trio still has potential
Victor and crashies have crazy synergy, victor is incredible at taking space and fns believes that crashies is the closest to a perfect player he’s played with
Shame to see what is likely the end of their pro career being squandered
https://www.vlr.gg/337967/nrg-problem i said the same thing , they called me dumb , anyways im not losing to EG , their team is😂
Uncleben [#7]Forsaken is an incredible player, so not really that bad
Vic’s a very good duelist imo, his raze is top tier and his Jett is decent
His kj is ok as well
His raze is decent for a mid tier americas team. It isnt enough to get them anywhere internationally. Hes not even a top 3 raze in americas internationally hes lucky if hes top 8.
Uncleben [#17]I think despite what everyone says this optic trio still has potential
Victor and crashies have crazy synergy, victor is incredible at taking space and fns believes that crashies is the closest to a perfect player he’s played with
Shame to see what is likely the end of their pro career being squandered
like I said new blood could do wonders tbh, like vic and crashies could stay together and they just join a new team
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#19]His raze is decent for a mid tier americas team. It isnt enough to get them anywhere internationally. Hes not even a top 3 raze in americas internationally hes lucky if hes top 8.
Curious why u think that
His raze certainly looked good last year internationally
Uncleben [#21]Curious why u think that
His raze certainly looked good last year internationally
His raze looked mid at best internationally. He consistently fails to show up against important teams. He's like an, albeit more tame, american version of skRossi. Shows up when they stomp others and is unable to be the carry when they struggle. At his worst internationally he couldn't out duel zeta and blg...
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#22]His raze looked mid at best internationally. He consistently fails to show up against important teams. He's like an, albeit more tame, american version of skRossi. Shows up when they stomp others and is unable to be the carry when they struggle. At his worst internationally he couldn't out duel zeta and blg...
His whole team shit the bed against blg the first time but he played well the second time
His raze looked good vs DRX and liquid iirc
Uncleben [#24]His whole team shit the bed against blg the first time but he played well the second time
His raze looked good vs DRX and liquid iirc
he didnt play raze against drx.
liquid barely won a single series internationally last year. If that is your barometer for being a good international raze then sure hes a good international raze. I would argue that beating a t2 level team which clearly showed a complete lack of coordination and cohesion last year is expected and proves absolutely nothing and is an awful point that makes you look desperate for good examples.
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#25]he didnt play raze against drx.
liquid barely won a single series internationally last year. If that is your barometer for being a good international raze then sure hes a good international raze. I would argue that beating a t2 level team which clearly showed a complete lack of coordination and cohesion last year is expected and proves absolutely nothing and is an awful point that makes you look desperate for good examples.
I get ur point, but liquid made internationals last year, more than the vast majority of teams globally could do, so they certainly weren’t tier 2
I don’t think victor is a top 5 raze internationally, but he’s certainly good enough to play it
Clearly NRG’s problem at the moment is calling and team comps
I’m curious which raze players u think are better than victor globally
Coures [#6]definition of jack of all trades, master of none
he's legit just a worse forsaken in every single way (minus hardware)
victor wong more trophies than forsaken's entire region since the beta of valorant he clears that bum
thegoatofalltime [#28]victor wong more trophies than forsaken's entire region since the beta of valorant he clears that bum
Iceland 2022 is fraudlent trophy
Uncleben [#15]The igl thing is a massive ego move, very disappointing
The only team that has been able to have some random cracked player igl is prx and they are exceptions to a lot of rules
Chet has a very rigid and unforgiving system for his team and their roles that only really works for the original optic team
wdym the only team that has been able to do it is prx?
what have they been able to do? get a random "cracked" player to igl for what? not win anything?xdddddddd yeah they re pretty good at not ever lifting a trophy
TheAceGamer30 [#29]Iceland 2022 is fraudlent trophy
iceland 2021 covid ass trophy in plumbers era
madrid 2023 mickey mouse event with dogshit teams
dont talk about fraudulent trophies
also u have yellow teeth u 3rd worlder
thegoatofalltime [#31]iceland 2021 covid ass trophy in plumbers era
madrid 2023 mickey mouse event with dogshit teams
dont talk about fraudulent trophies
also u have yellow teeth u 3rd worlder
hahaha idc lol . Forsaken clears Victor
TheAceGamer30 [#32]hahaha idc lol . Forsaken clears Victor
nah victor clears that trophyless bum
you and me have the same amount of international lans won as the whole apac region
thegoatofalltime [#33]nah victor clears that trophyless bum
you and me have the same amount of international lans won as the whole apac region
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TheAceGamer30 [#34]?
forsaken never won anything relevant, just an overrated bum who never achieved anything with his team
victor champion
victor is clear of that apac fraud, in fact he clears their entire 0 teams 0 trophies region
Coures [#6]definition of jack of all trades, master of none
he's legit just a worse forsaken in every single way (minus hardware)
i mean...yeah. thats like saying
every raze is a worse jinggg
every jett is a worse aspas
every viper is a worse less
like theyre the best players itw for a reason, saying hes worse than them doesnt mean much
Uncleben [#26]I get ur point, but liquid made internationals last year, more than the vast majority of teams globally could do, so they certainly weren’t tier 2
I don’t think victor is a top 5 raze internationally, but he’s certainly good enough to play it
Clearly NRG’s problem at the moment is calling and team comps
I’m curious which raze players u think are better than victor globally
zekken aspas jawgemo jinggg t3xture derke buzz. After this year i expect one of the newer EMEA duelists will be on this list too.
I get ur point, but liquid made internationals last year, more than the vast majority of teams globally could do, so they certainly weren’t tier 2
dumb argument. T1 were not t1. ASE were not t1. BLG were not t1. FPX were not t1. FUT were not t1. making internationals by farming a weak region then bombing out just means your region is weak not that you're good. If a team makes an international and everyone knows they aren't getting out of groups they arent t1. There's a reason TL from last year would never get mentioned in the same breath as LOUD EG PRX DRX FNC or even EDG.
Coures [#6]definition of jack of all trades, master of none
he's legit just a worse forsaken in every single way (minus hardware)
How can someone even compare
Victor has to play against t1 players every week and forsaken plays against talon ,bleed or sum
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